[FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree
steve smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Tue Apr 29 19:11:12 EDT 2025
Eric -
I have read Roanhorse's post-Apocalyptic /Trail of Lightning/... and
tripped over the controversy over the subtle/complicated claims of
Tribal identity and cultural appropriation. I didn't read more of her
work because after this novel she veered further into *fantasy* which is
not my genre-of-choice so much. The description of this short story
(very highly heralded) would seem to suggest significant irony regarding
the criticism she drew for her subsequent novel?
For the PostModernists (or adjacent) among us, I wonder if this whole
tangle isn't very PoMo with her simultaneous inhabitation and critique
of systems of representation? Did Marcus response go full PoMo as well?
All this aside, can you elaborate the relevance of why you injected this
into this thread at this point? Stylistic similarity to Glen's
allegorical character study of obnoxious little green men as LLM? (or
vice-versa?). The little green men, very superficially reminded me of
Spielberg's /Gremlins/?
- Steve
On 4/29/25 2:41 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> Keeping with superdeterminism, I like am pleased to see suggested
> questions at the bottom of George.
>
> When it truly has omniscience, I will be able to simply click on the
> suggested question and I will be unnecessary.
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2025 12:50 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree
>
> Written in 2017?
>
> Welcome to Your Authentic Indian Experience by Rebecca Roanhorse
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> On Apr 29, 2025, at 22:04, glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> More like if little green creatures came into my kitchen to cook
> up some stinky fish ... and then leave the kitchen all messy for
> me to clean up ... the whole house stinking of fish for days ...
> until they show up again just when it stopped stinking. And as
> time goes on, they're going to show up more often ... not merely
> to stink up the house with fish, but to re-landscape the yard,
> paint the house ugly colors, paint garish murals on all the inside
> walls, swap out my truck for a "truck" from Elno, and replace the
> beer in my fridge with fscking *seltzer*.
>
> And they'll eventually get on my keyboard and start doing "work"
> for my clients ... work the clients didn't ask for and don't want
> ... until they convince them they do want it ... then the little
> green creatures will evict me and I'll go live under a bridge.
>
> On 4/28/25 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> I know. If small green bipedal creatures landed on earth and
> started tending to yardwork would that also be a disappointment?
> They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so curse them!
> *From:*Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Nicholas Thompson
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the
> tropospheree
> Hi Marcus,
> I find that George's indulgence with bad metaphor very useful.
> I also find amazing his ability to grasp the gist of what I
> am asking. I have essential tremor and a bad keyboard and
> still George almost always gets the message. Siri will take
> any opportunity to misunderstand.
> In this case, it was I, not George, who was cranking out the
> sloppy metaphors, trying to find a way to convey just how thin
> the atmosphere is. I was hoping Saran wrap thin, but that
> appears to be an order of magnitude too far.
> Am I reading this wrong? people often talk about LLM's as if
> they are /disappointed/ in them, as if there is something they
> SHOULD do that they aren't doing. Do you have any idea what
> the disappointment might be?: What is the world hankering for
> that they don't provide?
> Nick
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37 PM Marcus Daniels
> <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com
> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com%20%3cmailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>>>
> wrote:
> I wonder if the George makers 1) realized that people have
> an affinity to iffy analogies and they should give the people
> what they want, or 2) the LLM was prone to generating them so
> they just made it a feature?
> *From:*Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>>>
> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam at redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam at redfish.com>>>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the
> tropospheree
> George and I were looking for intuition pumps to help a
> reader imagine how very thin the troposphere is. Here is
> what we came up with:
>
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