[FRIAM] mental imagery

[Steve Smith]

Tx, I did read that article myself and it (also) whetted my appetite a 
bit for (yet more) abstractions about the emergence of systems, 
couplling and identity in that sense as well.
> Hi Steve,
>
> This was the Wikipedia link Glen had in this paragraph, in the same 
> post I replied to:
>
>> Changing gears a bit, I ran across the "as if" personality 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_disturbance>. I can't help 
>> but wonder about a room full of agents "concealing their inner 
>> emptiness, living *as if* they had genuine feelings and desires." 
>> >8^D I'm at risk of Get-Off-My-Lawn, here. But 90% of the time, when 
>> I'm in a room with more than, say, 5 people, it *feels* to me like 
>> they're all philosophical zombies, maybe me included.
>>
> I don’t know more than whatever I might have learned to parrot from 
> reading that link….
>
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>> On Dec 2, 2025, at 12:35, Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>>
>> EricS -
>>
>> I'd like to hear more on this tangent (identity-stability) in the 
>> broadest sense (my focus would be abstract markov blankets, active 
>> inferencing, "nearly decomposable systems") if possible.
>>
>> Not sure if the abstractions of emergent self-other can be reached 
>> from this discussion or not.
>>
>>> Back to Glen’s branch in the above thread, I could probably imagine 
>>> an analysis in which some of these distinctions do propagate up to 
>>> how identity is formed, and whether or in what ways it is stable or 
>>> unstable, as in borderline personality disorders and associated.  Or 
>>> maybe not, and the identity-stability question is a distinct matter (?).
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks for patience or indulgence if anybody read this far,
>>>
>>> Eric
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