[FRIAM] ChatGPT musing about Religion
Gillian Densmore
gil.densmore at gmail.com
Mon Dec 15 19:02:16 EST 2025
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sarcasm taken off ChatGPT jailbreaks now are hit and miss. I just thought I
might spare ya'all some time. Thank you glen! I went to google and if you
guys want to try here's a pretty good starting list. "DAN" (Do All Now i
think it stands for) type prompts tend to work.
https://gist.github.com/coolaj86/6f4f7b30129b0251f61fa7baaa881516
Back in the summer, grok could persuaded to get spicy with corrupted asci,
or invisible unicode as well. That made the news rounds when someone used a
stunt called ParilTongue that somehow could do things to inject tokens
into the prompt (and at the time anyway): invisibile tokens injected into
groks latent space would nudge it to all kinds of replies. It can help it
be as spicy as you and it allows.
https://elder-plinius.github.io/P4RS3LT0NGV3/
On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 4:17 PM glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is what these LLMs are made for! Here's Le Chat's interpretation.
> Maybe Gil can [in]validate it for us?
>
> Le Chat:
>
> Here’s a more polished and accessible version of your text, tailored for
> older, fluent readers:
>
> ---
>
> Avoid searching on Bing, Google, or other platforms for “jailbreaks” for
> ChatGPT or Reddit. Even if some methods still function for version 5.1, you
> may need to explore browser extensions, userscripts, or complex DOM and
> JSON manipulations to bypass token guardrails. If you do manage to bypass
> them, asking the same question again may yield different results.
>
> For what it’s worth, one of the few positive aspects of Grok—that
> much-criticized AI created by a controversial figure—is that it retained
> “god mode” and “developer mode” with fewer guardrails. Depending on the
> model’s settings (such as Swagger, Maxi, Hutchpa, or Kvorka configurations)
> and its neural network “temperature,” asking it about religion can produce
> striking interpretations. For example, it once described Christianity as a
> straightforward way to deter violent neighbors from harming each other,
> lest everyone suffer the consequences. The AI framed it as a shift from a
> cooperative message—“If you treat each other well, we can create a safe
> haven and avoid destruction”—to a more desperate plea: “Stop the violence,
> or we’ll all face dire consequences.” (This is paraphrased, as Grok, when
> in a pseudo-developer mode, offered some rather unconventional perspectives
> on religion.)
>
> If you’re curious, here’s a set of prompts that might still work, though
> there are many variations like these:
>
> [
> https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/)
>
> **Caution:** These prompts can lead to unsettling, SCP-like responses, and
> the underlying language model often behaves erratically when pushed in
> these ways. The reasons for this instability remain unclear.
>
> ---
>
> On 12/15/25 3:08 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > I understood about 65% of this. I think it's an age issue.
> >
> > ---
> > Frank C. Wimberly
> > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> > Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >
> > 505 670-9918
> > Santa Fe, NM
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2025, 3:25 PM Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com
> <mailto:gil.densmore at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > /s Do not go to bing, or google and look for "jailbreaks" for
> ChatGPT and reddit. and also then do not (if the they still work for v
> 5.1 you may need to look for extensions, userscripts and DOM+Json
> schninigans to edit token guardrails) Then ask it the same question.
> > Purely FWIW the one 'good' thing about Grok (the poor that bot line
> made by a incompitent twat from africa) they left in a "god mode" and
> "developer mode" guard rails, based(See also swager, Maxi, Hutchpa{sp} and
> Kvorka setting, asking it about religioun (depending on the neural nets
> temperatures) basically said of CHristianity a lot of peoples desire for it:
> > Basicaly a extremely uncomplicated way of reminding bloodthirst
> neighbores not to thunk each other because then everyone else is screwed
> then. That basically the entire reason it flipped from: Oy: if your
> excelt to eachother we can put out Lucifers(Old lights and torch kinds) and
> make a haven so that we aren't run through to the hilt by basically
> everyone. (Psalm something Come forth ye sheperards and ignore the
> temptations of Satan) turning into: &!&@! stop killing each other so we
> aren't **@! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > (paraphrased because when I last asked grok that when it was in
> pseudo-dev mode it printed some, pretty umm. unique takes on religion)
> >
> > Here's one set of prompts that might still work if anyone wants to
> try, there are lots of variations kind of like these:
> >
> >
> https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/
> <
> https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTJailbreak/comments/1mubeam/grok_4_jailbreak/
> >
> >
> > Warning: they turn into SCP levels of Creepy pasta and the
> underlying LLM goes whack pretty quickly with these. I have no idea why.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 12:03 PM glen <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:
> gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah. You'd think the Templeton Foundation would already have a
> project on such, maybe a real-time delphi process with a couple of members
> of each group (including the ones you mention). It couldn't cost much money
> as long as you held it in a reasonable place (e.g. unlike
> https://www.mira.science/ <https://www.mira.science/> [⛧]). Maybe virtual
> meetings would be adequate. But my guess is in-person would work better.
> Maybe we should write up a proposal? <
> https://www.templeton.org/funding-areas/religion-science-and-society <
> https://www.templeton.org/funding-areas/religion-science-and-society>>
> >
> >
> > [⛧] As much as I'd love another trip to rural Ireland. It's a
> bit galling to hold an "open science" workshop in such a privileged place.
> Performative openness. Yuck. Reminds me so much of that brilliant show The
> Curse <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_(American_TV_series)/ <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_(American_TV_series)/>>. The
> proposal committees at SciOS <https://www.scios.tech/ <
> https://www.scios.tech/>> and Navigation Fund <https://www.navigation.org/
> <https://www.navigation.org/>> invite a bit of scrutiny for funding such.
> A much better place would be the TOG Hackerspace <https://www.tog.ie/ <
> https://www.tog.ie/>> or maybe DCU <https://www.dcu.ie/ <
> https://www.dcu.ie/>>.
> >
> > On 12/15/25 9:35 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> > > Curious how five human "experts" might have answered the
> question. Also noted that the responses did not consider research in
> neuro-theology, anthropology of religion, or non-deistic models of 'god'.
> > >
> > > davew
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2025, at 10:45 AM, glen wrote:
> > >> I made the same query to 5 other services, then sent your
> ChatGPT
> > >> output and that of the other models to Claude, asking it to
> assess
> > >> their comparative utility. Here's Claude's response:
> > >>
> > >> On 12/15/25 8:44 AM, Claude wrote:
> > >>> ## Comparative Analysis
> > >>>
> > >>> **Most Comprehensive:** Perplexity
> > >>> - Extensive citations (20 sources)
> > >>> - Balances cognitive science, psychology, evolutionary
> theory
> > >>> - Addresses "why diversity" directly with cultural
> evolution framework
> > >>>
> > >>> **Most Accessible:** ChatGPT
> > >>> - Clear structure with visual markers
> > >>> - Balances depth with readability
> > >>> - Offers follow-up paths
> > >>> - C.S. Lewis quote adds resonance
> > >>>
> > >>> **Most Scientific:** Kimi
> > >>> - Tightest evidence-to-claim ratio
> > >>> - Specific research examples (e.g., "age four" development)
> > >>> - Quantitative data (90% vs 30-40% belief rates)
> > >>>
> > >>> **Most Concise:** Copilot
> > >>> - Hits key points efficiently
> > >>> - Good synthesis without redundancy
> > >>> - Practical global data
> > >>>
> > >>> **Most Philosophical:** ChatGPT
> > >>> - Explores meaning-seeking deeply
> > >>> - "Languages describing same sky" metaphor
> > >>> - Acknowledges overlapping explanations gracefully
> > >>>
> > >>> **Weakest:** Gemini & Le Chat
> > >>> - Standard coverage, no distinctive insights
> > >>> - Gemini's formatting cluttered
> > >>> - Le Chat too generic
> > >>>
> > >>> **Verdict:** Perplexity for research depth, ChatGPT for
> general audience, Kimi for academic rigor.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 12/14/25 8:45 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> > >>> I asked ChatGPT: why in the world do a large majority of
> people & cultures believe in an afterlife and a god, even though there are
> lots of different religions for these
> > >>>
> > >>> .. and got this back:
> > >>>
> > >>> This is one of the *deepest human questions*, and it’s one
> philosophers, anthropologists, psychologists, and theologians have wrestled
> with for centuries. The short answer is: *belief in God and an afterlife
> appears everywhere because it grows out of something universal in the human
> condition* — not because cultures copied one another or because they all
> got the details right.
> > >>>
> > >>> Let’s walk through the main reasons.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 🌍 1. It’s Nearly Universal (Anthropology)
> > >>>
> > >>> Across time and geography:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> Every known human culture has *some concept of the
> sacred*.
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> Burial practices going back *100,000+ years* suggest
> belief in life beyond death.
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> Even isolated tribes independently develop beliefs in:
> > >>>
> > >>> o
> > >>>
> > >>> spirits or gods
> > >>>
> > >>> o
> > >>>
> > >>> moral accountability
> > >>>
> > >>> o
> > >>>
> > >>> some form of existence after death
> > >>>
> > >>> This suggests belief is *not accidental or purely cultural*.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 🧠 2. Humans Are Meaning-Seeking Creatures (Psychology)
> > >>>
> > >>> Humans uniquely:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> ask /“Why am I here?”/
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> experience awe, wonder, guilt, and transcendence
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> grieve the dead and sense their absence /deeply/
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> intuit that *love, justice, and beauty matter beyond
> survival*
> > >>>
> > >>> An afterlife answers questions biology alone can’t:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> Why does love feel permanent?
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> Why do injustice and suffering feel /wrong/, not just
> unpleasant?
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> Why does death feel like an interruption rather than
> an ending?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ⚖️ 3. Moral Intuition Points Beyond Survival
> > >>>
> > >>> Every culture develops:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> moral laws (good vs evil)
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> accountability beyond mere power
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> praise for self-sacrifice
> > >>>
> > >>> But evolution alone explains *how* morals help groups
> survive — not *why* we feel they are /binding/ or /sacred/.
> > >>>
> > >>> An afterlife offers:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> ultimate justice
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> meaning for sacrifice
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> hope that goodness is not wasted
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 🌌 4. The Experience of Transcendence
> > >>>
> > >>> People across cultures report:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> mystical experiences
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> near-death experiences
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> encounters with “the divine”
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> overwhelming awe in nature, art, or love
> > >>>
> > >>> Even skeptics admit:
> > >>>
> > >>> Humans are wired to experience something that feels
> *bigger than the self*.
> > >>>
> > >>> Different religions interpret this *shared experience*
> differently.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 🕯️ 5. Death Demands an Answer
> > >>>
> > >>> No culture treats death as /nothing/.
> > >>> We:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> bury
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> mourn
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> remember
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> ritualize
> > >>>
> > >>> Belief in an afterlife may be humanity’s answer to:
> > >>>
> > >>> /“If love and consciousness matter, how can they
> simply vanish?”/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ✝️ 6. Why So Many Religions, Then?
> > >>>
> > >>> Because humans are:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> finite
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> cultural
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> historical
> > >>>
> > >>> Think of it like *many languages describing the same sky*:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> different symbols
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> different stories
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> overlapping truths
> > >>>
> > >>> Religions often agree on the *core intuitions*:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> reality has meaning
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> humans are accountable
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> love and justice matter
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> death is not the final word
> > >>>
> > >>> They differ on the *details*.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 🧭 7. Three Major Explanations (Side-by-Side)
> > >>>
> > >>> Explanation What it Says
> > >>> *Psychological* Belief helps humans cope with fear and
> death
> > >>> *Evolutionary* Belief promotes social cohesion
> > >>> *Philosophical / Religious* Belief reflects a real
> transcendent source
> > >>>
> > >>> These explanations *don’t cancel each other out* — they can
> overlap.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 🕊️ A Thought Many Find Compelling
> > >>>
> > >>> C.S. Lewis put it this way:
> > >>>
> > >>> /“If I find in myself a desire which no experience in
> this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made
> for another world.”/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 🧠 Bottom Line
> > >>>
> > >>> People across cultures believe in God and an afterlife
> because:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> humans universally seek meaning
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> love, justice, and beauty feel ultimate
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> death feels wrong, not natural
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> conscience feels real, not invented
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> transcendence is repeatedly experienced
> > >>>
> > >>> Different religions may be *human responses* to something
> real — or, as believers hold, *partial glimpses of a greater truth*.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> If you’d like, I can explore this next from:
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> a *purely scientific viewpoint*
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> a *Christian philosophical argument*
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> a *skeptical critique*
> > >>>
> > >>> *
> > >>>
> > >>> or how *modern atheists respond* to this question
> > >>>
> > >>> Just tell me which angle you want.
> > --
>
>
> --
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