[FRIAM] reasoning

Tue Jul 1 14:12:27 EDT 2025

Aaah . Fond memories, Euler strikes again.  e^(iπ) = -1 is a special case,
typically for phase inverted rotating signals like in resonant systems or
reflective waves.

On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 11:14 PM Pieter Steenekamp <
pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:

> This is really beautiful to me.
>
> I’m not an expert in the theory behind why e^(iπ) = -1, but as an
> engineer, I’ve come across it many times.
>
> I first worked with it on a project early in my career. I modeled a
> 3-phase unbalanced AC system to optimally control a metals melting arc
> furnace in real time. The work was very successful, and even after many
> years, I still feel proud of it.
> The changing currents and voltages, as the furnace loads shifted, depended
> on complex numbers — and e^(iπ) = -1 is just a special case of that kind of
> math.
>
> Later, I developed a general model predictive control (MPC) software
> package. That too was based on the same kind of complex number math —
> again, where e^(iπ) = -1 is a special case.
>
> So even though I don’t fully understand the deep math, the ideas around
> e^(iθ) bring back fond memories.
>
> But that was a previous life. These days, I’m working in AI — and loving
> it just as much!
>
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 at 00:20, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As for teachers who barely understood.what they were teaching...
>>
>> At Carnegie Mellon the guy who usually taught digital signal processing
>> was on sabbatical, the guy who taught it when the first guy wasn't
>> available was just made director of the Robotics Institute.  I had
>> mentioned a desire to teach so they decided I should do it.  I said "but I
>> never took that course."  The RI guy said,  "You'll do fine. It's just
>> math."  The course was for about 40 MS and a few PhD students in EE.  The
>> text was by Oppenheim and Schafer.  As I read it I wondered where the
>> theorems and proofs were.  Long story short, with help from a control
>> throry professor who was available to answer my questions it went OK.  I'm
>> sure most of the students knew I was a beginner.  On the student
>> evaluations I got 3.2 out of 4.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2025, 3:07 PM glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> IDK. I can't help but wonder if a walk through a reasoning process like
>>> this would have helped me at 17 or so, fresh off geometry, trig, algebra,
>>> etc and headed into calculus. Complex numbers were largely opaque, despite
>>> some exposure. I don't think they clarified until college. Add in the
>>> ability to raise the temperature parameter, iterate a couple times, and it
>>> may well have been helpful ... more so than my "teachers" who barely
>>> understood what they were teaching and my calculus teacher who seemed to
>>> believe she could telepathically push things into my head.
>>>
>>> But I *definitely* think a few breaks in the reasoning to play with the
>>> dog or argue about whether pineapple or anchovies belong on pizza would
>>> have helped me pay attention longer. >8^D
>>>
>>> On 6/30/25 11:25 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>>> > Blah, blah, blah.  He should have stopped at e^(i pi) + 1 =0
>>>
>>> On 6/30/25 11:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> > So conscientious!   There was nothing about being hungry or wanting to
>>> play with the dog.
>>>
>>> On 6/30/25 1:05 PM, Santafe wrote:
>>> > wow.  Disingenuous performative much?  Who programs these things?
>>> That level of smarm is malicious in and of itself.  Having just watched the
>>> thing on Alex Karp and who is running “things” these days.
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 1, 2025, at 3:02, glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Inference was running slowly. So I decided to see if the GPU was
>>> actually working. It wasn't. So I had to shut everything down and restart
>>> the container. Then to test, I thought I'd ask Qwen3 a simple reasoning
>>> question. The attached is the result.
>>> >>
>>> >> OMG. Please think more quietly. I feel like I'm at the pub sitting
>>> next to one of those super talkative people who just get worse as they
>>> drink.
>>> >>
>>>
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