[FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

[Pieter Steenekamp]

I'll let George answer:

EPR refers to the *Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox*, a 1935 thought
experiment by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen. It challenges the completeness
of quantum mechanics by showing that, under its rules, two particles can
become *entangled*—so that measuring one instantly affects the other, no
matter how far apart they are.

Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance" and believed it implied
quantum mechanics was incomplete, suggesting the existence of hidden
variables that would restore locality and determinism.

EPR is foundational to debates about quantum nonlocality and played a key
role in later developments like Bell's theorem and quantum information
theory.

On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 at 20:29, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is "EPR"?  What is the attraction to acronyms about?
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> On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:38 PM Pieter Steenekamp <
> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
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>> Seth Lloyd’s Turing test for free will (
>> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/lloyd/Turing_Test.pdf)
>> is to consciousness what EPR was to quantum physics: a challenge to the
>> theory's completeness. EPR said quantum weirdness must hide something
>> deeper; Bell said “let's test that”—and nature replied, “nope, it’s weird
>> all the way down.” Nobel Prize, case closed.
>>
>> Lloyd asks: can we prove the mind is just machinery? His test says: build
>> a machine that behaves indistinguishably from a human and believes it has
>> free will. If you succeed—great. But failure proves nothing.
>>
>> Unlike Bell’s inequality, this test can only confirm, never deny. No
>> ghost-busting here.
>>
>> Until then? It’s speculation. The Standard Model explains almost
>> everything—except the quantum gremlins and how observation messes things
>> up. So maybe the mind still has an ace up its sleeve. Or a soul. Or a bug
>> in the code.
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