[FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

[Frank Wimberly]

And Eric.

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Frank C. Wimberly
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, 1:50 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Pieter
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, 12:45 PM Pieter Steenekamp <
> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
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>> I'll let George answer:
>>
>> EPR refers to the *Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox*, a 1935 thought
>> experiment by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen. It challenges the completeness
>> of quantum mechanics by showing that, under its rules, two particles can
>> become *entangled*—so that measuring one instantly affects the other, no
>> matter how far apart they are.
>>
>> Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance" and believed it
>> implied quantum mechanics was incomplete, suggesting the existence of
>> hidden variables that would restore locality and determinism.
>>
>> EPR is foundational to debates about quantum nonlocality and played a key
>> role in later developments like Bell's theorem and quantum information
>> theory.
>>
>> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 at 20:29, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is "EPR"?  What is the attraction to acronyms about?
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>>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:38 PM Pieter Steenekamp <
>>> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seth Lloyd’s Turing test for free will (
>>>> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/lloyd/Turing_Test.pdf)
>>>> is to consciousness what EPR was to quantum physics: a challenge to the
>>>> theory's completeness. EPR said quantum weirdness must hide something
>>>> deeper; Bell said “let's test that”—and nature replied, “nope, it’s weird
>>>> all the way down.” Nobel Prize, case closed.
>>>>
>>>> Lloyd asks: can we prove the mind is just machinery? His test says:
>>>> build a machine that behaves indistinguishably from a human and believes it
>>>> has free will. If you succeed—great. But failure proves nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike Bell’s inequality, this test can only confirm, never deny. No
>>>> ghost-busting here.
>>>>
>>>> Until then? It’s speculation. The Standard Model explains almost
>>>> everything—except the quantum gremlins and how observation messes things
>>>> up. So maybe the mind still has an ace up its sleeve. Or a soul. Or a bug
>>>> in the code.
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