[FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

[Frank Wimberly]

Thanks, Pieter

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Frank C. Wimberly
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, 12:45 PM Pieter Steenekamp <pieters at randcontrols.co.za>
wrote:

> I'll let George answer:
>
> EPR refers to the *Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox*, a 1935 thought
> experiment by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen. It challenges the completeness
> of quantum mechanics by showing that, under its rules, two particles can
> become *entangled*—so that measuring one instantly affects the other, no
> matter how far apart they are.
>
> Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance" and believed it implied
> quantum mechanics was incomplete, suggesting the existence of hidden
> variables that would restore locality and determinism.
>
> EPR is foundational to debates about quantum nonlocality and played a key
> role in later developments like Bell's theorem and quantum information
> theory.
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 at 20:29, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is "EPR"?  What is the attraction to acronyms about?
>>
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>> Frank C. Wimberly
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>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:38 PM Pieter Steenekamp <
>> pieters at randcontrols.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>> Seth Lloyd’s Turing test for free will (
>>> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/lloyd/Turing_Test.pdf)
>>> is to consciousness what EPR was to quantum physics: a challenge to the
>>> theory's completeness. EPR said quantum weirdness must hide something
>>> deeper; Bell said “let's test that”—and nature replied, “nope, it’s weird
>>> all the way down.” Nobel Prize, case closed.
>>>
>>> Lloyd asks: can we prove the mind is just machinery? His test says:
>>> build a machine that behaves indistinguishably from a human and believes it
>>> has free will. If you succeed—great. But failure proves nothing.
>>>
>>> Unlike Bell’s inequality, this test can only confirm, never deny. No
>>> ghost-busting here.
>>>
>>> Until then? It’s speculation. The Standard Model explains almost
>>> everything—except the quantum gremlins and how observation messes things
>>> up. So maybe the mind still has an ace up its sleeve. Or a soul. Or a bug
>>> in the code.
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