[FRIAM] Movement vs. Behavior, and what's in the Black Box

[Nicholas Thompson]

Ahhhh!   this discussion is what I love you guys for.   Now for god sake
dont climb all over me for being a mathematical ignoramus: BUT I think
somewhere along these lines lies the solution of the entropy paradox. One
way I have tried is to claim that entropy is some kind of variance; another
is to claim it as a vector passing through present state variables.  Each
of these is a kind of domain switch and would explain why every time we try
to nail down the concept of entropy in an instant we fail.  State
variables, unlike busses at bus stations contain no information about where
they are going.  Yet entropy is a bus whose destination we always know.

Steelman me glen;

NIck

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:22 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, you're right. Scale is merely one parameter by which the domain can
> be shifted. The only problem is that "domain" is a pretty abstract concept.
> So choosing a concrete example (like scale) helps move the discussion along
> without getting too caught up in the generalization. This bears directly on
> the hedging Nick shows with "internal states" and I suspect lingers with
> the word "hidden". Why some thing/process/state/behavior is hidden
> shouldn't get in the way of recognizing that it's hidden. It can be hidden
> by the perspective (I can't see that far) or by definition ("There are many
> like it, but this one is mine.") or standard control theory unreachability
> or the complexity of the gen-phen map or whatever. And too much talk of the
> abstraction (domain) allows the conversation to blossom in too many
> ambiguous directions. But once the particular examples are well-handled,
> the abstraction is necessary in order to make the full point (a kind of
> holographic principle).
>
> On 5/12/20 9:58 AM, Jon Zingale wrote:
> > but where Glen refers
> > to /scale/ I would speak of /domain of definition/. That a shift in
> > domain happens to be size, rather than some other contextual
> > specification, may not be what we want. If this isn't the case
> > Glen, please let me know.
>
>
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Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology
Clark University
nthompson at clarku.edu
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