[FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

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It prolly won't surprise you that I disagree (I think). Those intuitions that we develop may be a) interesting to like-minded people, b) valid to those who hold the same value/logic systems [⛧], and c) useful for sussing out us-vs-them [in|out]groups.

But they don't necessarily track reality. You might even say (ala the Interface Theory of Perception) those intuitions are inversely proportional to one's ability to track reality, the stronger they are, the less they track. This is adjacent to Eric's full tea cup.

E.g. someone like Denis Noble, whose had a fantastic career in science. But now that he's old and out of his lane, his confidence puts him out in front of his skis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Noble#The_Third_Way_of_Evolution

If we allow something like an intuition in LLMs, it should be clear that in order for them to track reality, they need "online" learning (as Marcus has proposed) and/or robotic embodiment to be able to interact with the reality we expect/want those intuitions to be about. But where you could argue with me might be on something like "muscle memory". Turns of phrases in a language should probabilistically constrain the response from the LLM. This might be similar to the way some words and phrases roll off the tongue. But in that sort of case, it's not *intuition* as we might normally think of it ... it's more like habit or practice. Again the emphasis is more on the doing than the thinking.

[⛧] Indeed, the only way "valid" has any meaning at all is in the context of a language system ... if you fail to say what logic you're working with, the use of "valid" is invalid. 8^D ... sorry for the poetic license.


On 6/18/25 10:35 AM, steve smith wrote:
>     "the language bots are handing back is the only thing it can be; a regurgitation of the canons of the textbooks".
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> My experience (and hypothesis) is that the "more" they hand back is in the well-selected combinatorial interpolation (and some extrapolation) they can do?
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> I think *this* is what we humans do collectively as well,  we each study and read hundreds of other precursor thinkers/writers and then maybe spend years trying to regurgitate that to students in a digestible form, and along the way, we develop our intuition about which of the interpolations/extrapolations/combinatorics that come up in that work might be useful/interesting/valid?
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