[FRIAM] fat tails

steve smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Thu Mar 20 14:40:16 EDT 2025


Frank -
>
>
> This should be a link to a paper which gives background on Markov 
> Blankets:
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> http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/home/anon/usr/ftp/cald/abstracts/04-102.html

thanks for the background and your personal stake in the topic...

My (current) interest is specifically in the context of models of 
consciousness ala Solms and Friston:

    https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/NRN.pdf

    https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10057681/1/Friston_Paper.pdf

I'm toying with the question of how Friston's application of Markov 
Blankets and Tononi's IIT/Phi  play together in the emergence of 
collective consciousness.

I think in particular, the point is that MBs represent an *emergent* 
partitioning arising from active inferencing and how Phi perhaps can be 
used to recognize the emergence of higher-order self-organization in 
systems of systems.   Unfortunately I am 
under(focused/disciplined/prepared) to really formalize or nail this 
down very well.   Fortunately the ever-easier access to academic 
progress and the aid of LLMs to find and correlate them allows me to 
careen along finding serendipitous correlations among disparate 
thinkers/fields, even if I can't render much formal coherence out of my 
coalescing intuition.

I responded to Glen's response in a separate thread (now discarded) with 
more detail about my intuition but think it might read more like noise 
than signal.  His point, about the distribution of POVs within the 
superposition of many artifacts (corpora) being precious (my words, not 
his) and that an LLM, even with clever prompting may be more of a 
"muddying" than a "clarifying".

  I fear the first but hope for the latter.   LLMs and their non-textual 
siblings may well be little more than a mudhole, not a clear wellspring.

- Steve

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