[FRIAM] Way off topic

[Frank Wimberly]

My maternal grandparents were both native New Mexicans who lived their
whole lives here.  My grandfather was genetically German but he spoke
Spanish better than he spoke English.  Once he came to visit me when I
lived in married student housing at Carnegie Mellon.  There were a couple
of Mexican guys who were in some summer classes who had become friends of
mine.  I introduced them to my grandfather.  One said to the other in the
typical Mexican sing-song way of speaking "Ven.  Quiero que conozcas a un
Gringo que habla mejor que nosotros"  (Come, I want you to meet a Gringo
who speaks (Spanish) better than we do)  My grandfather said, "Habla como
un hombre!  No Cantes."  (Talk like a man.  Don't sing.)

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Mon, Mar 24, 2025, 12:26 PM steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

>
> Steve:
> Do all your friends and neighbors have the Red Cards no matter their
> status? In fact, probably all of us should be carrying them.
> T.
>
> For the most part,  we operate on a don't ask, don't tell basis.   The
> only folks with known status to me are those who have achieved a full
> green-card status after years of temporary work stints, etc.   The rest are
> likely under various radars.   Often there is an adult child, likely born
> in the USA who is peripherally involved. My Spanglish is good enough to
> negotiate lots of work and social situations but nothing as sensitive as
> legal immigration status and I stay far away from those discussions as a
> matter of respect.   I try to telegraph that I am an ally but don't belabor
> it.
>
> https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas#item-4477
> <https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas#item-4477>
>
> I grew up with kids whose parents (more often grandparents) did not speak
> English.  Not because they had immigrated from MX but because their
> ancestors lived in the territory which became the US while they lived
> there.   In the mountains Western NM, some of the parents (born in the
> early 1900s) were raised in Spanish-only households among Spanish-only
> social/family networks.   The kids grandparents likely were children when
> their families immigrated to the area from the Rio Grande valley after the
> Civil War (when the newly formed/available US Cavalry rounded up or killed
> the native Apache living in the area).
>
>  In Southern (Douglas) AZ, many of these families had equal representation
> on both sides of the border that was drawn with the Gadsden Purchase.
> Some living on the MX side may have been deported there during the 1st
> world war or depression when there were attempts to displace "mexicans"
> from the US without due process.   May have been part of the "alien
> enemies" act activities of the time.
>
> I think the Gadsden purchase included the Mesilla Valley in NM (nod to
> REC) but in my case it was the region south of Tucson in AZ.
>
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