[FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

Sat May 10 16:38:23 EDT 2025

It would be a good use case for agentic AI with Gemini.  I tried it..no, gmail/gemini can't cooperate in this way yet.

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> On May 9, 2025, at 8:40 PM, Russell Standish <lists at hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Just google how to do it. It's a PITA, and completely non-obvious, but
> it is possible. I do it every couple of years or so. It involves
> creating a filter to select all the emails (say older than one month),
> and then move all selected emails to trash. Then you have to empty
> trash.
> 
>> On Fri, May 09, 2025 at 02:44:22AM -0600, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>> Fare well, my friends.  It was supreme.  Google is about to cut me off from
>> gmail because I cant figure out how to bulk delete all my messages and I will 
>> be damned if I will pay 2 bucks a month to store last year's political
>> garbage.  And yes I will be lonely.  You have fulfilled a need even George
>> cannot fill.  Ohmigosh.  I just had terrible thought.  Glen.... are you real? 
>> "Or are just a lonely lovely work of art." N.
>> 
>> On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 8:06 AM glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>    I have a friend who doth protest too much about being a joiner. He's
>>    pathologically allergic to any hint of an accusation of being a fanboi.
>>    I've accused him of being such in the contexts of both music and soccer. In
>>    his reactions to my accusations, he cites the fact that I do often join
>>    things like parasocial Discord groups, often watch twitch streams, etc. The
>>    implication being that I'm a joiner and he's not. My counter is that I'm
>>    always a tourist in these parasocial spaces. Even when I do engage, the
>>    reaction of the community is mostly an immune response like "Who is this
>>    rando who suddenly started talking?" I lurk, pretending I'm something like
>>    an anthropologist. This is antithetic to joining, a perverted voyeurism.
>> 
>>    That's a set up for this hypothesis. Those of us who really get engaged
>>    *chatting* [⛧] with a bot like ChatGPT are solving the same loneliness (3rd
>>    place absence) problem that's solved with long-form podcasts like Joe
>>    Rogan, twitch streams, etc. The primary difference is (as Marcus points
>>    out) the parameter space for the LLM is huge enough to allow some of them
>>    to be meta-parameters, effectively selecting between different parasocial
>>    personalities. With podcasts and streamers, including group streamers, the
>>    lonely person has to *choose* the destination, choose the podcaster, choose
>>    the personality. And they have to organize their schedule or manage the
>>    downloads, etc. *And* they have to make some modifications to their own
>>    behavior in order to be a member of the group, if they want to engage in
>>    the chat or whatever.
>> 
>>    With the LLM, very little of that choosing and self-management is needed.
>>    E.g. it's easy to get banned from a twitch stream for saying something
>>    mildly political ... or using the wrong pronouns or even fat-fingering your
>>    typing ALL THE TIME. It's also easy to end up in a Discord dumpster fire
>>    where everyone's secretly an anti-Semite. But with ChatGPT, it's really
>>    easy to tune the meta-parameters simply by engaging it in the right way.
>> 
>>    Testability: If I'm right, we should be able to test this. I'm ignorant.
>>    But maybe there are a handful of tests for loneliness out there. I'd want
>>    at least 3 tests. Null would be no association between loneliness scores
>>    from those tested and their engagement with podcasts/streams/LLMs. Ideally,
>>    we might have 3 arms: a control, podcasts/streams, & LLMs. Incidental
>>    findings might get at the modes (audio, video, text).
>> 
>> 
>>    [⛧] I can't emphasize enough that I'm talking about chatting,
>>    "conversation", not other usage patterns like trying to engineer a codebase
>>    or using it as a writing assistant.
>> 
>>    --
>>    ¡sıɹƎ ןıɐH ⊥ ɐןןǝdoɹ ǝ uǝןƃ
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>>    reply.
>> 
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