[FRIAM] Entropy and atmospheric potential vorticity

[Jochen Fromm]

Some of Doug's quotes from the FRIAM archives:"I've watched this particular verbal volleyball match for over a week now, and I must confess:  I don't have the faintest idea what the objective of the exercise is. What I have noticed, however, is repeated usage of words that apparently have deep, overloaded, special meanings to their author, but not to the audience. "Experience" "conscious" "suffers from", for example. Could someone please tell me what the fuss is all about?""Black.  White!   Black. No, White!Wrong.  Am not!  Are too!""Yeah, that Roberts guy is some kind of trouble maker, isn't he?""Now don't go screwing around with my head, Nick.  Not sure I could come to grips with being in agreement with you on anything.""This list constantly reminds me that we are all, thankfully, different.  Offhand, I can not think of a topic that I would be more violently disinterested in than the "philosophy of causation".-J.
-------- Original message --------From: steve smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> Date: 5/17/25  12:48 AM  (GMT+01:00) To: friam at redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Entropy and atmospheric potential vorticity 
    
    
    Frank wrote:
    
    
      
      
        Doug Roberts?
      
    
    
    
      Oh, if ever Doug was rolling in his grave. The
        swirlies and nouggies I might have endured if he were still
        alive.
      
        
          
            
            
            NIck
          
        
      
    
    I'd almost forgotten about Doug's compulsive adolescent snark
      directed at your fascination with vortices.  
    
    It makes me wonder what he'd make of the AI phase transition we
      are in.  He had (IMO) both progressive and regressive ideas about
      simulation science/tech.  
    
    Makes me wonder if there is a mirror/parallel quantity to PV
      which would be Latent Vorticity (LV)
     and is that similar to the torque that people who might roll in
      their grave experience?   Or is it a measure of the rolling they
      would do if they could do rolling?  How much roll would a Doug
      Roberts roll if Doug Roberts could roll (in his grave)?
    I won't even suggest someone train up an LLM on all of Doug's
      posts in response to Nick's to create a simulacra to harangue him?
    
    
    
      
        
          
            -- 
            
              
                Nicholas S. Thompson
                Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology
                Clark University
                nthompson at clarku.edu
                https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson
            
          
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