[FRIAM] Limits to Growth

[steve smith]

REC -

Very timely...  I did a deep dive/revisit (also met the seminal work in 
college in the 70s) into Limits to Growth and World3 before the 
Stockholm workshop on Climate (and other existential threats) Complexity 
Merle wrangled in 2019....  and was both impressed and disappointed.   
Rockstrom and folks were located right across the water from us where we 
met but to my knowledge didn't engage... their work was very 
complementary but did not feel as relevant to me then as it does now.

In the following interview, I felt he began to address many of the 
things I (previously) felt were lacking in their framework previoiusly.  
It was there all the time I'm sure, I just didn't see it and I think 
they were not ready to talk as broadly of implications 5 years ago as 
they are now?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6_3mOgvrN4

Did anyone notice the swiss village inundated by debris and meltwater 
from the glacier collapse uphill?   Signs of the times or "business as 
usual"?

- SAS

On 5/30/25 12:16 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> https://thenextwavefutures.wordpress.com/2025/05/20/limits-to-growth-was-right-about-overshoot-and-collapse-new-data/ 
>
>
> I remember the Limits to Growth from my freshman year in college.  Now 
> Hackernews links to the above in which some people argue that we've 
> achieved the predicted overshoot for the business as usual scenario 
> and the subsequent collapse begins now.  Enjoy the peak of human 
> technological development.
>
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