[FRIAM] Nick being irritating --
Nicholas Thompson
thompnickson2 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 10 16:48:18 EDT 2025
Great to hear from you Matteo,
I have no idea mathematically what 1,3,4,6,8,11,10; is, but musically its the first 7 notes of "if I had a ribbon bow" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXwfsGBupM). In that case the completion would be,
6,8,8, 8, 8, 8;
But what is it really?
N
On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:45 AM Matteo Morini <matteo at swarm.org <mailto:matteo at swarm.org> > wrote:
Then, I raise you 1,3,4,6,8,11,10 !
On 9/10/25 4:39 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Yes. Thank you. I was beginning to fear i had asked an unfair q. Gpt got it on the first pass and then went on to say some interesting things about mathematics and semantics
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On Sep 10, 2025, at 10:25 AM, Matteo Morini <mailto:matteo at swarm.org> <matteo at swarm.org> wrote:
(Western) music involved? A C major and a mystery, possibly minor, scale respectively?
On 9/10/25 4:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Next number in both series is one.
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On Sep 10, 2025, at 9:42 AM, Roger Frye <mailto:frye.roger at gmail.com> <frye.roger at gmail.com> wrote:
Von Neuman warned against high degree polynomial fitting. He said "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant> Von Neumann's elephant
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant> en.wikipedia.org
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>
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On Sep 10, 2025, at 7:08 AM, glen <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
I figured it was one of these:
https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15 <https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search> &language=english&go=Search
https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15 <https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search> &language=english&go=Search
Were it so, we'd need the next number {16,17} to tell the difference. But like many of Nick's riddles, I have no idea what he intended.
On 9/9/25 8:40 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:
Sorry, 22. I needed to constrain the two systems. Too much linear algebra to want to explain, but yeah, Vandermonde and all that.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 9:22 PM Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com> <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com> <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com>> wrote:
It's 29.
I am assuming you are thinking of a polynomial that generates each sequence. Unfortunately, it's a 6th degree polynomial and so solving for the coefficients is a pain. You construct a Vandermonde matrix (V) a vector of dummy coefficients a = [a0, a1, ..., a6]. Then you solve for the coefficients relative to your sequence (S), V * a = S.
Python helped nicely:
import numpy as np
n1 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
y1 = np.array([1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12])
coeffs1 = np.polyfit(n1, y1, 6)
sol1 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)
n2 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
y2 = np.array([1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10])
coeffs2 = np.polyfit(n2, y2, 6)
sol2 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)
=>29
On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 3:17 PM Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Sry. Should be all commas.
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On Sep 9, 2025, at 1:19 PM, Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Here are two mathematical series
1,3,5,6,8,10.12, __
1.3.4,6,8,9,10, __
Both have the same next number.
Why, and what are we talking about here?
I predict that only Jon will guess the answer.
Please dont trouble yourself with this if you have anything better to do.
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