[FRIAM] Nick being irritating --
Matteo Morini
matteo at swarm.org
Thu Sep 11 09:31:46 EDT 2025
Likewise, Nick!
I see multiple tangents departing from the original conversation, and
I'm happy to roll back to the original thread.
You're spot on, save for a constant of integration. The completion I
had in mind was supposedly 1, 6, 1, [polyphony ensues, sorry 6,10], 1,
8, 6, [1,10] ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va87qt0VZ2M ).
-Matteo
On 9/10/25 10:48 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
> Great to hear from you Matteo,
>
> I have no idea mathematically what 1,3,4,6,8,11,10; is, but musically
> its the first 7 notes of "if I had a ribbon bow"
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXwfsGBupM). In that case the
> completion would be,
>
> 6,8,8, 8, 8, 8;
>
> But what is it really?
>
> N
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:45 AM Matteo Morini <matteo at swarm.org> wrote:
>
> Then, I raise you 1,3,4,6,8,11,10 !
>
> On 9/10/25 4:39 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
> Yes. Thank you. I was beginning to fear i had asked an unfair
> q. Gpt got it on the first pass and then went on to say some
> interesting things about mathematics and semantics
>
> Sent from my Dumb Phone
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2025, at 10:25 AM, Matteo Morini <matteo at swarm.org>
> <mailto:matteo at swarm.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> (Western) music involved? A C major and a mystery, possibly
> minor, scale respectively?
>
> On 9/10/25 4:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
> Next number in both series is one.
>
> Sent from my Dumb Phone
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2025, at 9:42 AM, Roger Frye
> <frye.roger at gmail.com> <mailto:frye.roger at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Von Neuman warned against high degree polynomial
> fitting. He said "With four parameters I can fit an
> elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”
>
> Von Neumann's elephant
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>
>
> en.wikipedia.org
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>
>
>
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>
>
> _<wikipedia.png><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann's_elephant>_
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2025, at 7:08 AM, glen
> <gepropella at gmail.com> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I figured it was one of these:
>
> https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search
> <https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search>
> https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search
> <https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search>
>
> Were it so, we'd need the next number {16,17} to tell
> the difference. But like many of Nick's riddles, I
> have no idea what he intended.
>
>
> On 9/9/25 8:40 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:
>
> Sorry, 22. I needed to constrain the two systems.
> Too much linear algebra to want to explain, but
> yeah, Vandermonde and all that.
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 9:22 PM Jon Zingale
> <jonzingale at gmail.com
> <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com>
> <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com>> wrote:
> It's 29.
> I am assuming you are thinking of a polynomial
> that generates each sequence. Unfortunately, it's
> a 6th degree polynomial and so solving for the
> coefficients is a pain. You construct a
> Vandermonde matrix (V) a vector of dummy
> coefficients a = [a0, a1, ..., a6]. Then you solve
> for the coefficients relative to your sequence
> (S), V * a = S.
> Python helped nicely:
> import numpy as np
> n1 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
> y1 = np.array([1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12])
> coeffs1 = np.polyfit(n1, y1, 6)
> sol1 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)
> n2 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])
> y2 = np.array([1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10])
> coeffs2 = np.polyfit(n2, y2, 6)
> sol2 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)
> =>29
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 3:17 PM Nicholas
> Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Sry. Should be all commas.
> Sent from my Dumb Phone
> On Sep 9, 2025, at 1:19 PM, Nicholas
> Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Here are two mathematical series
> 1,3,5,6,8,10.12, __
> 1.3.4,6,8,9,10, __
> Both have the same next number.
> Why, and what are we talking about here?
> I predict that only Jon will guess the answer.
> Please dont trouble yourself with this if
> you have anything better to do.
>
>
>
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