[FRIAM] More meat for the metavores

[Steve Smith]

In my own Metavoric/Ideaphoric style, I found myself following the 
growing hyphae of Hesse's Glass Bead Game and Castalians (as the 
ulitmate metavores) and Demster/Haraway's coinage of sympoiesis (forgive 
earlier misspell) and and the very meta-metaphor of Castalia/GBG and 
Autopoeisis as "fruiting bodies which do not recognize or acknowledge 
the mycelia and mycorrhizal networks from which they arise.

My brief skim of the linked article on Haraway's use of Sympoiesis 
didn't note her reference to "the Chthulucene" nor it's idiosyncratic 
spelling to evoke chthonic as well as Cthulhu - curiouser and curiouser

provided by GPT

    earthy / underworld / deep-soil 	*chthonic* 	Greek *χθών / chthōn*,
    earth, ground, underworld

    Lovecraft monster/deity 	*Cthulhu* 	Lovecraft’s invented name

    Haraway’s epoch-word 	*Chthulucene* 	from *chthonic* + “-cene,” with
    deliberate tentacular resonance near Cthulhu


>
> On 5/21/26 12:25 pm, glen wrote:
>> Wasn't me, was Roger who used "metavore". 
> Thanks for the correction... I *did* follow the earlier part of the 
> thread but somehow I heard it differently in your "voice"...
>> And I agree, it's a cool word. Lovecraftian? Maybe. 
>
>> It's appropriate for those of us who think there's something *more* 
>> going on in humans than what's going on in machines. 
> Does "effing the ineffable" or "dualist/monist" threads here cover 
> that or is there (yet) another nuance?
>> Lovecraft's horrible void is nearly identical to the TESCREALs' 
>> singularity, hypercomputation, or McGilchrist's "right brain" stuff 
>> ... but with a negative affect ... horror in the stead of wonder.
>
> With my distance from Lovecraft and all things "horror", I get the 
> sense that that community deliberately conflates horror and wonder?  A 
> sort of deliberate inversion of affective "near enemies"?   When I 
> consider (dismiss?) it this way, I'm not has horrified by horror as my 
> instincts/habits push me toward. Maybe I'm softening to it, if not 
> quite yet a convert.
>
>> I figure biology is reasoning and reasoning is biology. Also life is 
>> mechanism and vice versa. But those mappings are way too sloppy. 
>> Biology is a type of reasoning. The reasoning that happens 
>> atop/within biology may be of a different type. 
> Symbolic thought might be life-itself's fruiting body: a visible, 
> spore-casting eruption from a mostly hidden mycelium of metabolism, 
> affect, sensorimotor coupling, social exchange, and ecological 
> constraint?
>> but different how? You gesture to a bunch of stuff, which is fun. But 
>> can you temporarily role-play 1 and run with it?
>
> I'm not sure if "1" indexed a specific element in my rant/rave or if 
> it was the generic "any one" but maybe I started that above?  My role 
> play continues to be fungal.
>
> I'd offer as an inflection point (dual to a tangent?) a nod to a 
> recent Guerin Conversation where he invoked Donna Haraway and 
> Sympoesis which I was surprised to find roots in more systems science 
> with Beth Demster?
>
>     https://artsandculturalstudies.ku.dk/research/art-and-earth/environmental-humanities-glossary/sympoiesis/
>
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