[FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

Owen Densmore owen at backspaces.net
Thu Feb 2 11:49:12 EST 2017


Roger: thanks for catching that. It was added after I saw the tweet and the
article. At least the False News was avoided, but sheesh, when do you know
something like that is fully baked.

   -- Owen

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Steve writes:
>
>
> "I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the
> wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship,
> rats and all.  Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or
> ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars
> ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future,
> but I'm not seeing it."
>
>
> I mean:  All they know is their canoe, and somehow even though they see
> all these other kinds of boats on the river, they can't imagine anything
> but huddling in the center of their little canoe in the wind and rain.
> Fellow canoers, let us build vessels with shelter!   No, you say?
>
>
> At some point some subset will build those vessels, but they'll call them
> arks.
>
>
> Marcus
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Steven A Smith <
> sasmyth at swcp.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:09:41 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism
>
>
> Steve writes:
>
>
>
> "I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you
> don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center
> of gravity.   Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts?  Unless you
> want to tip into the drink!”
>
>
>
> Except that if we tip it over, we can swim over to that jet boat that is a
> hundred meters away.   (See the thread on the 10 meter diving platform.)
>
> I think I get that part.... I grew up with a fascination with
> post-apocalyptic worlds and sci-fi themes of transcendence.  I still have a
> soft spot for it.  We have in our local circle (but surely not on this
> list) a near-inner circle Singularian, the futurist/author Steven Kotler:
> http://diamandis.com/abundance
>
> I put more stock in complexity thinking than exponential thinking.
>
> Your logic is the only hope I hold out for this Trumpian regime.  He is a
> loose cannon who is in the process of clearing the deck of our ship of
> state.  I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and
> the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship,
> rats and all.  Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or
> ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars
> ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future,
> but I'm not seeing it.
>
> I also outgrew utopian fantasies when I realized they were a thin disguise
> for a dystopia.   I'm still fascinated with the dual of utopia/dystopia,
> but I'm not easily taken in by the idea that when you can't react fast
> enough *already* to the things appearing on the road in your headlights,
> that you should just *drive faster*.
>
> - Steve
>
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> Marcus
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