[FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

[Carl Tollander]

Many birds do tend to migrate, so wondering what "stable environment" means
here.

Also thinking there is at play the developmental  environment (extended
time of egg-to-bird-of-the-now) of the bird, as well as the outer
moment-of-the-song environment.   How does one talk about developmental
self-similarity?    (we have L-systems for simulated plant growth and so
on).    As I recall from back in the day, self-similarity has limiting
scale horizons, where particular dimensions of growth or development
dominate to support the self-similarity.

C

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Nick -
>
> This is one of your (wonderfully, and I mean that seriously) naive
> questions, and the naive answer is yes, they are surely coupled.   I'm very
> interested in "soundscapes"  so am often very aware of both the complex
> passive structure of most soundscapes (especially landscape vs urbanscape)
> and the active (birdsongs, garbage trucks, wind in the willows, sirens,
> ice-floes, domestic disturbances) elements.
>
> You are likely to have a better idea than I do about whether bird's songs
> are likely to be *formulated* in a more or less complex manner when in a
> complex "landscape".   I would guess yes to this.    I would guess that the
> three most relevant scales are roughly the scale of the bird's body, it's
> food-source, and it's natural predators.   How well can it hide, how well
> can it's food hide, and how well does it's predator hide.   I"m sure this
> is an overly simplified model.
>
> I think rather than fractal (literally), the more relevant concept is
> "with structure at many scales".
>
> IN any case, welcome to Alberto!  My own daughter happens to be a
> researcher in Flaviviruses, traditionally West Nile and Dingue, but now is
> drawn into the Zika thing...   I look forward to hearing more from you
> Alberto!
>
>  - Steve
>
> On 2/15/17 3:57 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
> Helloooo, List,
>
>
>
> I would like to introduce to you Alberto Alaniz (who describes himself in
> the communication below).  I “met” him on Research Gate when he downloaded
> a paper of mine on the structural organization of bird song.  I noticed
> that he was writing from a Landscape Department, and I thought, “A
> landscape person who is interested in birdsong! He must be interested in
> fractals!”  And I was right.  So please welcome him.  Steve please note?
>
>
>
> The idea of his that I particularly want to hear you discuss is his notion
> that fractality (is that a word?) in one domain can effect, affect, impose?
> fractality in another.  So is there a relationship between the fractality
> which my research revealed in the organization of bird song and the
> fractality of the landscapes on which bird behavior is deployed.
>
>
>
> I particularly wonder what Kim  Sorvig and Jenny Quillen and ProfDave
> think about this, but also wonder if others on the list could put an oar
> in.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Alberto Jose Alaniz [mailto:alberto.alaniz at ug.uchile.cl
> <alberto.alaniz at ug.uchile.cl>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:21 PM
> *To:* nthompson at clarku.edu
> *Subject:* Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs
>
>
>
> Dear Nick
>
>
>
> I apreciate so much your invitation, so i really intrested in participate
> of your discussion group. I am a young researcher finishing my MS, and this
> types of oportunities look very good for my, specially if i can interact
> with other scientics. About your question, of course you can share my
> oppinion, now if you want i can writte a compleate opinion in extenso, and
> i will send to you tomorrow in the afternon.
>
>
>
> My field of study is the ecologial modelling and the conservation biology,
> the last year i published my firsts papers in Biological conservation and
> International Journal of Epidemiology, the first one about ecosystem
> conservation and the secondth is a global model of exposure risk to Zika
> virus. Currently im working in ecosystems and in assessment of habitat loss
> in forest specialist species (with Kathryn Sieving from University of
> Florida).
>
>
>
> *Alberto  Alaniz Baeza*
>
> Lic. en Geografía, Geógrafo & Magíster (c) Áreas Silvestres y Conservación
>
> Becario, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ambientes Fragmentados
>
> Departamento de Ciencias Biológicas Animales, U. de Chile
>
> Investigador, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ecosistemas
>
> Departamento de Recursos Naturales Renovables, U. de Chile
>
> Académico, Centro de Formación Técnica del Medio Ambiente IDMA
>
> +56996097443 <+56%209%209609%207443>
>
> https://albertoalaniz.wordpress.com/
>
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