[FRIAM] Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

[Nick Thompson]

Dear Glen, and all, 

 

This is getting embarrassing because I started something here that I am too frigging dumb to understand.  But let me just ask you fractalologists  out there to clarify:  As a matter of definition, can a time series be "fractal".   So is the time series, ...

 

ABABABABcdcdcdcdABABABABcdcdcdcdABABABABcdcdcdcdABABABABcdcdcdcd

 

,..."fractal"?  Or is that just abuse of terminology. 

 

Nick 

 

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

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Along those lines but sticking with the fractals, it would be important to distinguish the reconstruction of the instrument from that of the melody. I assume the self similarity Nick is talking about would still be present even if we render the melody in MIDI. It's not clear to me, are the requirements of Takens' method met by a discrete time series?

 

 

On February 28, 2017 5:45:00 PM PST, Vladimyr Burachynsky < <mailto:vburach at shaw.ca> vburach at shaw.ca> wrote:

>Any bird has only so much lung capacity so every utterance is limited 

>to that volume and it must be forcibly discharged to create an audible  

>wave.  To be detectable by the intended target that sound must fall 

>into a range of frequency and volume within the recipient’s 

>capabilities. If the bird is unable to produce syrinx based sounds then 

>it must devise an alternative like ruffed grouse or prairie chickens. 

>They basically seem to beat the crap out of their chests and can sound 

>like English motorcycles for brief moments.

> 

>So let’s break away from some rather extreme avians from the Melodic 

>Songsters of Poetry.

> [...]

>By the way Frisch did this sort of thinking with Honey Bee Waggle 

>Dances and paper and pencil.

> 

>As a student I had to read his work and found that the bees could sense 

>extra dimensions which could include even more information, vibration 

>and scent.

 

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⛧glen⛧

 

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