[FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

[Marcus Daniels]

I suppose Glen is claiming that if abuse can be redefined outside of physical abuse, then the referent of the abuse can be defined outside of species and thus the killed cells from the physical abuse have a more severe outcome than the social consequences of non-physical but serious abuse amongst humans.  (Although I suppose stress responses from the non-physical abuses could result in cell death too.)    Fine.   I call that bait and switch.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Date: Friday, July 26, 2019 at 8:53 AM
To: "friam at redfish.com" <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts


Glen -

I keyboarded a typically long and torturous contribution to this thread early on, but decided to hold it back and look for a more succinct response.  Some high points, in summary:

  1.  Stick and Stones ...
  2.  Passive-Aggressive modes/roles in Kolmogorov Models
  3.  Outlier identification within Persistent Homologies

- Steve
On 7/19/19 11:40 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:

Well, sure. But you seem to be relying on some sort of ontological primacy for the person/animal/organism. Processes like defamation or corruption (or their opposites) are only different from processes like tissue remodeling or healing in *scale* or degree, not type/kind. Both involve large collections of individuals to participate in a stable or dynamically evolving soup. Saying defamation or corruption could change the course of a life equivocates on "whose life?" E.g. the life of a skin cell is no different (in kind) from the life of the organism of whose skin it's a part. (Panpsychism anyone?)



This paper was interesting:

Self-Evaluative and Other-Directed Emotional and Behavioral Responses to Gossip About the Self

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6328481/



I'd be hard-pressed to make a serious disjoint separation between inter-cellular signaling and the type of signaling described above ... flippant distinctions, sure, but not serious ones.



On 7/19/19 8:29 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Yes being physically injured is different from other kinds of harm.   One can recover from some kinds of physical injury, but defamation or other workplace corruption could change the course of a life.


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