[FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

[Frank Wimberly]

About levels.  I tried to post this but ran into the size problem.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ynIauGuXsUgXvi8w0BuiY7VjfYrgGqgW/view?usp=drivesdk


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On Thu, May 2, 2019, 5:36 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We used the  Hearsay-II extensively as a model for how to do parallel,
> distributed applications in the Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon.  It
> makes use of levels and communication among them, up, down and within a
> level.  Applications included factory automation, job shop scheduling, and
> others.  As a speech-understanding system it was replaced by Harpy which
> was faster.
>
> Some will remember several other times that I have promoted this.  I'm
> just trying to help.
>
> Frank
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> On Thu, May 2, 2019, 5:24 PM Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
>
>> On the bounds of stupidity, there's at least a sucker born every minute,
>> a large proportion of whom apparently benefit not at all from any kind of
>> education.
>>
>> A theoretical sequential machine, perhaps, that might melt a hole through
>> the earth while simulating a cell.
>>
>> The hierarchy in this case looks like linguistic compression to me, a way
>> of summarizing results, the system is not depending on the levels of
>> organization to work, we find levels convenient for explanations of how the
>> system works.
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:36 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks VERY much for posting some digested material from the paper. What
>>> you say below seems to hearken back to what JonZ (or maybe JohnK?) said
>>> awhile back, ... paraphrasing: that he would be hard-pressed to find
>>> something that organisms can do that can't be duplicated by a sequential
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> That type of statement and yours below do not *imply* that an effect was
>>> NOT generated by a (semi)hierarchical structure. It merely implies
>>> something like the parallelism theorem, that anything a (semi)hierarchial
>>> system can do, a "flat" one can do (though perhaps with extra space or time
>>> costs). Am I reading your statement right?
>>>
>>> On 5/2/19 12:02 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>>> > But they don't actually extract the levels of organization from the
>>> model.  They take the levels of organization as known facts and construct
>>> observations of the model that make predictions consistent with the
>>> levels.  So if there are levels of organization as yet unidentified, they
>>> are at least as obscure in the model as they are in reality.   And to claim
>>> that the levels of organization emerge from the model sort of ignores how
>>> much work went into constructing the observations.
>>> >
>>> > On the other hand, one might be surprised that all these levels are
>>> implicit in the amino acid sequences, but life knew that already, that's
>>> why it only remembers the sequences.
>>>
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