[FRIAM] words RE: words

Tue May 7 21:46:27 EDT 2019

Hi, Frank, 

No.  I suppose not.  Here’s where we need Hywel. Could we predict it from the shape of the water molecule?

In general, I wish to avoid psychologizing concepts like “emergence”.  I don’t want them to be dependent on anybody’s knowledge, or lack thereof.  So, I don’t want to think (I may have to, eventually) that emergence is based on our ability to predict, because, then truly, “Knowedge Extinguishes Emergence.”

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:26 PM
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Emergent: hexagonality of snowflakes.  Can we predict that from water vapor and cold?

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On Tue, May 7, 2019, 5:58 PM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net> > wrote:

Marcus, 

Of course I see [now] why he was annoyed.   And I apologized.  And I won’t do it again.  And I have tried to explain (and I think Glen has more or less accepted) that my intent was not aggressive.  

Not sure how that relates to the question I asked you.  Are games instances in good standing of emergent phenomena?  

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 2:59 PM
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No, I meant that Glen is right and you are wrong, in spite of the superficial transactional evidence back and forth.    Actual quotation marks, and you can’t see why is he annoyed?

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > on behalf of Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net <mailto:nickthompson at earthlink.net> >
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Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 2:53 PM
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Sorry, Marcus, do I misunderstand?  Or did I misunderstand Frank?  

A pingpong game is not a proper emergent?  

Cf tennis and chess: 

To call a social interaction a

dance is to stress the peraction of social agents. When agents peract,

they act through or by means of one another. Each has a state

of affairs toward which his or her behavior is directed, and that

state of affairs requires certain actions on the part of the social

partner. The behavior of each actor is therefore directed toward

using the other as a tool to produce a particular desirable result.

The dialectic between their peractions is the dance. From an observer’s

standpoint, the best dances, like the best chess games and

the best tennis matches, are those in which neither peractant entirely

gets his or her own way.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 2:04 PM
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No, not really.   

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> >
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Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 1:43 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words RE: words

To the outside observer, a ping pong game has emerged.

-----------------------------------
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone (505) 670-9918

On Tue, May 7, 2019, 1:38 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> > wrote:

No. Again, I would never say that. Why are you interacting this way? What are you trying to achieve by attributing things to me that I didn't write?

On 5/7/19 12:36 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> "Emergence is in the eye of the beholder." G. Ropella, 2019

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☣ uǝlƃ

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