[FRIAM] query and observation

Thu Sep 12 17:59:13 EDT 2019

Straw man:

Nick:  People don't think, they only behave.

Frank:  You reached that conclusion by thinking.

Nick:  You presume to have observed my reaching the conclusion.

Frank:  I am certain your mind works like mine.

Nick:  How could you know that?  You are a Cartesian.

Frank:  And proud of it.

Nick:  People don't feel; they infer their feelings from their behavior.
They recognize hunger from eating or food seeking behavior.

Frank:  I know I'm hungry from feeling hungry.  I could feel hungry while
totally still, with no observable behavior.

Nick:  No because...

Etc., etc....

No resolution to date.

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Phone (505) 670-9918

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:17 PM Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> We love our "flocking" models but FRIAM is less of a 'birds-of-a-feather'
> group than something much harder to similize.  It feels to me that some of
> our conversations are a bit flocky or schooly (rarely herdy) but others are
> more geophysical like flares or eruptions...  a good schoolyard "pileon"
> occasionally happens as well... and then there are... as we are now
> contemplating, the long dark-tea-times of our collective-soul.
> On 9/12/19 10:04 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
>
> FRIAM is such a strange beast. At times full of philosophical
> discourse that flies far above my head, other times full of
> irreverent inanities that defy categorization, and occasionally even with
> something to do with complexity. And then the periodic deafening silence
> that makes me realize just how much I would miss it if it were to go away.
> Long live FRIAM.
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:45 AM Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Frank, Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I AM tied up with relocation issues, so haven’t been paying close
>> attention, but …
>>
>>
>>
>> I just did a search in my inbox and there is nothing from FRIAM from 24
>> August on.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have always understood that the Friam-Owner. is like the wine pourer at
>> a classical “symposium”,  more or less watering the wine to maintain the
>> flow and quality of the conversation.  He won’t admit to it of course, but
>> every once in a while He “shuts me off” from friam when He thinks I have
>> become too … agitated?  I assume He is also gently modulating your
>> contributions in the same way, as a beneficent god should.  I don’t know
>> how He gets the time to do it, but nothing else could possibly explain the
>> fact that sometimes our emails just go missing for a while.  So, I didn’t
>> get alarmed when I stopped receiving FRIAM correspondence in late August.
>> I just assumed that the All Powerful Friam-Owner was giving me a rest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you APF-O.  We love you and worship you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Ps.  Let me know if you don’t get this message.  (};-\)
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
>> Wimberly
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:02 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] query and observation
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Friam list remains as you can see but is sort of a trickle.  I posted
>> a couple of items about the Cooper/Colbert interview and something I can't
>> remember but they weren't up to the high intellectual standard which
>> engages you, Glen, Marcus, Nick, et al.  Glen did comment insightfully.
>> Nick will be back in Santa Fe soon; maybe the change in location will
>> stimulate him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>> Frank Wimberly
>>
>> My memoir:
>> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>>
>> My scientific publications:
>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>>
>> Phone (505) 670-9918
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my
>> reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not
>> in spam filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not
>> making it across the Atlantic.?
>>
>> Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a new book,
>> The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by
>> Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis
>> is that what we perceive is but a constructed, via evolution,  "interface"
>> and not a veridical perception of "Reality."
>>
>> Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being the ones that
>> see the optimal interface instead of what is behind the interface is
>> interesting.
>>
>> Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and Gadamer,
>> and even some Peirce,  and seeing apparent parallels between "interface,:
>> "interpretation," and "experience."  Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism
>> convictions might be illuminated by looking at these works in juxtaposition.
>>
>> dave west
>>
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