[FRIAM] Unmediated perception - sheldrake

Tue Sep 17 17:36:00 EDT 2019

Sure, it's an instinct, a sub-conscious driver just below the surface.  It is not something I would really try to defend.
It would go something like, "Look, here you are [random academic sucking up resources on the backs of struggling families] writing all these papers that almost no one reads.   Why don't you make something that _works_ and go the last 70% of the way?   Not only do your oration and presentation skills fill me with suspicion and impatience, the very fact you are doing research without development just clogs up digital repositories with mostly useless crap.  Get a real job and get off my lawn!"   :-) 

On 9/17/19, 2:20 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:

    "all about entertainment"

    That seems an over-aggressive reduction to me.  Like "all action is self-interested" or "all natural selection is at the genetic level".  

    Perhaps the largest personality difference I can think of among people concerns what entertains them.  I am entertained by rhetoric.  Other people think it's boring.  So, there you have it.  

    All the best,

    Nick 

    Nicholas S. Thompson
    Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
    Clark University
    http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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    My own instinct is that the `serious' communication between people, factored from rhetoric or not, is mostly about entertainment.   It's code that matters.

    On 9/17/19, 1:22 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:

        Sorry.  I thought the name of my new company would be obvious: 

        "Rhetor Rooter"

        I suppose it also could be the name of a person who cheers on rhetoricians. 

        Nick

        Nicholas S. Thompson
        Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
        Clark University
        http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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        This instinct taken to an extreme might explain how someone would end-up at a Trump rally and not an Obama rally.
        Fear of those that can tell a complex and convincing story and cut corners in hard-to-detect ways.   Individuals having such fear might be more at ease with someone that does not have these skills.   Someone that makes them feel relatively good about themselves.

        On 9/17/19, 10:06 AM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

            Ha! "Rhetor". It's fantastic how you assembled those words so that "rhetor" seems so distasteful. I'm going to start using "rhetor" as a username for those throwaway logins I'm always having to create.

            On 9/17/19 9:46 AM, Jon Zingale wrote:
            > My favorite and perhaps most  disillusioning was a
            > talk he gave at Google, where with maybe six people
            > in the room, I had the privilege to observe what a
            > rhetor he was capable of being. Now, I almost
            > never think about him or his theory.

            -- 
            ☣ uǝlƃ

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