[FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

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Glen, 

 

Notice, FWIW, that the original gen-phen distinction was understood to forbid  any information traveling from phen to gen. 

 

Nick 

 

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

 

In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop schizophrenia.  Does that work for you?

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> > wrote:

Neither! Ha! As Colleen Green mumbles: "Once you get to know me, you won't love me anymore." https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o

You're both a little wrong and a little right. The gen-phen map is inspired by genotype-phenotype. But liberties are taken with what it can mean. In particular, I've worked with some clinicians who call any pattern they're looking for in their patients a "phenotype". It's a very loose use of the word, but it gets the job done for them. For *me*, I tend to mean *only* systems where the phenomen[on|a] exert[s] some kind of downward causation on the generators (mostly just setting constraints). Maybe I should start calling it the phen-gen map instead?

On 7/17/20 4:00 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>  wrote:
> At the very end you spoke of the generator/phenomenon distinction.  I bet Jon a million dollars that you did NOT mean the same thing as the genotype/phenotype distinction.  So.  Who's your friend, here? 

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