[FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM

[Frank Wimberly]

What about:

genetics -> schizophrenia -> psychotic behavior -> shortened life -> fewer
offspring

Note that I am asking not asserting.

Frank

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Glen,
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> Notice, FWIW, that the original gen-phen distinction was understood to
> forbid  any information traveling from phen to gen.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2020 5:32 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM
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> In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to
> identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop
> schizophrenia.  Does that work for you?
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Neither! Ha! As Colleen Green mumbles: "Once you get to know me, you won't
> love me anymore." https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o
>
> You're both a little wrong and a little right. The gen-phen map is
> inspired by genotype-phenotype. But liberties are taken with what it can
> mean. In particular, I've worked with some clinicians who call any pattern
> they're looking for in their patients a "phenotype". It's a very loose use
> of the word, but it gets the job done for them. For *me*, I tend to mean
> *only* systems where the phenomen[on|a] exert[s] some kind of downward
> causation on the generators (mostly just setting constraints). Maybe I
> should start calling it the phen-gen map instead?
>
> On 7/17/20 4:00 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> > At the very end you spoke of the generator/phenomenon distinction.  I
> bet Jon a million dollars that you did NOT mean the same thing as the
> genotype/phenotype distinction.  So.  Who's your friend, here?
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