[FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology

[Prof David West]

the papers were papers in the main tracks of the conference — not student poster presentations.

davew

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, at 7:13 PM, Prof David West wrote:
> The evolution of philosophy to science is ubiquitous. Charles Needham 
> documented how essentially all of Chinese science evolved from, mostly, 
> Taoist philosophy.  Computational Science ala Leibniz derived from the 
> Theistic Philosophy of Ramon Lull. Alchemy to Chemistry, etc. etc.
> 
> I agree with Glen, that is irrelevant to the problem he posed.
> 
> Can't provide a controlled experiment of the sort he suggested, but I 
> can provide a supporting anecdote.
> 
> The software apprenticeship program I did at Highlands mandated a whole 
> lot of philosophy and history of computing and technology as well as 
> some Taoism and other philosophical odds and ends. We also made them 
> read poetry and study anthropology, so the philosophy may or may not 
> have been the prime determinant of results.
> 
> But, 22 students, 1 year in the program including freshmen who could 
> not use a word processor to a couple of grad students with professional 
> experience. (We had a one-room classroom.)
> 
> 10 of the students published papers, that year, at one of the two 
> refereed conferences with the highest rejection rates in the US at the 
> time.
> 
> The "no cut and paste" student was supervising other students working 
> on a Java J2EE project for the State Engineer's Office after one 
> semester.
> 
> All of the students, including the freshmen with only that one year of 
> apprenticeship, were placed in full-time developer jobs at the State of 
> New Mexico or Los Alamos Labs (in admin area, not nuclear science area) 
> when felon Aragon canceled the program.
> 
> The work of the students won an award from the New Mexico Information, 
> Software, and Technology Association.
> 
> Definitely above average performance and due, at least in some small 
> measure, to the philosophy — or so I think.
> 
> davew
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, at 6:05 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> > Sorry, Glen.  I didn't mean to imply any kind of argument in the 
> > matter.  The comment just interested me, and I thought you might have 
> > information to share with me.  It wasn't clear that I could even 
> > support the more general proposition, the one I thought you were 
> > making, let alone the more specific one that you actually made. 
> > 
> > Nick 
> > 
> > Nicholas Thompson
> > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
> > Clark University
> > ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?
> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:58 AM
> > To: FriAM <friam at redfish.com>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] science privilege — fork from acid epistemology
> > 
> > I'm not going to answer because that's irrelevant. The challenge is 
> > whether or not conversations like this impact the science done by those 
> > who have them.
> > 
> > On 3/12/20 9:56 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> > > Ah!  When you say that the benefit of philosophy to science is "straightforward", what do you have in mind? 
> > --
> > ☣ uǝlƃ
> > 
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