[FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death

[Steven A Smith]

On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> France is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives there.
>
> Just because the first person that told people about this was an idiot
> does not make the information wrong.
>
He was far from the first, just the loudest/brashest.   He *would* have
us believe that he personally *discovered* this off-label use...   but
that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.

There is a presumed responsibility when you have a megaphone.  But that
is one of the broken norms for worse (and better).

The unintended consequences of his mass-tweet/news-conference/rally
announcements are sweeping.  I do not believe he *intended* to cause a
slam on the chloroquine supply chain, nor for self-described
self-reliant folks like the AZ couple to run out and make a
small/obvious but terminal mistake.


> davew
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
>>
>> Elon Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years ago, and is
>> evidently one of the insistent sources pushing for chloroquine.
>> Sorry, I don’t have references.
>>
>> —Barry
>>
>> On 24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:
>>
>>     My first reaction to this was:  THANK YOU DEAR LEADER!
>>
>>     https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus
>>
>>     But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of accident to
>>     POTUS45
>>     or not... my gut instinct is that his constant raving about it is
>>     what
>>     triggered these people to give it a whirl.
>>
>>     I have one toe in the survivalist/prepper community and they are
>>     known
>>     for aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for
>>     fish/aquariums.   All
>>     the major human antibiotics have fish equivalents FishMox and
>>     FishFlox
>>     for example.   There is much discussion/lore/wisdom in that community
>>     around which products/sources are actually pharmaceutical-grade and
>>     honest-dosage and well-regulated.   I didn't know of chloroquine 
>>     phosphate or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I think they
>>     mean disinfecting.  It sounds to me that the problem was dosage, not
>>     contamination, but the product they used may have been cut or
>>     mixed with
>>     something toxic to humans.
>>
>>     I've a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace Corps who
>>     contracted malaria and was medicated with one of the chloroquine
>>     drugs. 
>>     He understood then (25 years ago) that it was the third world's
>>     "silver-bullet" and in his case it turned his symptoms around
>>     (life-threatening) in hours (on an IV).... his response to this
>>     prescription-from-POTUS is that the death rate in the third world
>>     could
>>     spike if the first world diverts their supply (probably coming from
>>     China?) abruptly for  our own use.  
>>
>>     I also heard that patients depending on these chloroquines in the
>>     first
>>     world are already finding that the supplies are drying up and many
>>     cannot get their usual refills.   Doh!
>>
>>
>>
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