[FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death

[Marcus Daniels]

The behavior puts in sharp relief how empty it is to “Give people hope.”
It is good in this circumstance to have people at home sobbing under their pillow.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com>
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:27 AM
To: "friam at redfish.com" <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death



On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David West wrote:
France is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives there.

Just because the first person that told people about this was an idiot does not make the information wrong.


He was far from the first, just the loudest/brashest.   He *would* have us believe that he personally *discovered* this off-label use...   but that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.

There is a presumed responsibility when you have a megaphone.  But that is one of the broken norms for worse (and better).

The unintended consequences of his mass-tweet/news-conference/rally announcements are sweeping.  I do not believe he *intended* to cause a slam on the chloroquine supply chain, nor for self-described self-reliant folks like the AZ couple to run out and make a small/obvious but terminal mistake.


davew


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:

Elon Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years ago, and is evidently one of the insistent sources pushing for chloroquine. Sorry, I don’t have references.

—Barry

On 24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:
My first reaction to this was:  THANK YOU DEAR LEADER!

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus

But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of accident to POTUS45
or not... my gut instinct is that his constant raving about it is what
triggered these people to give it a whirl.

I have one toe in the survivalist/prepper community and they are known
for aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for fish/aquariums.   All
the major human antibiotics have fish equivalents FishMox and FishFlox
for example.   There is much discussion/lore/wisdom in that community
around which products/sources are actually pharmaceutical-grade and
honest-dosage and well-regulated.   I didn't know of chloroquine
phosphate or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I think they
mean disinfecting.  It sounds to me that the problem was dosage, not
contamination, but the product they used may have been cut or mixed with
something toxic to humans.

I've a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace Corps who
contracted malaria and was medicated with one of the chloroquine drugs.
He understood then (25 years ago) that it was the third world's
"silver-bullet" and in his case it turned his symptoms around
(life-threatening) in hours (on an IV).... his response to this
prescription-from-POTUS is that the death rate in the third world could
spike if the first world diverts their supply (probably coming from
China?) abruptly for  our own use.

I also heard that patients depending on these chloroquines in the first
world are already finding that the supplies are drying up and many
cannot get their usual refills.   Doh!




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