[FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death

[Steven A Smith]

Michel -

I only had a brief moment to check out your groups webpages (the Google
Translate English version is surprisingly good for such a technical
document).   The Complexity Timeline page
<http://mountvernon.fr/Etapes_historiques.html> was particularly apt as
I have tried to recover that from my own experiences/memory and that of
others.  

How are things looking for you there on the ground in France?  I've been
checking in with my social/professional network in UK/EU/AU but France's
central location in Europe and unique cultural style would seem to
suggest an equally unique experience/perspective?

- Steve

On 3/24/20 10:09 AM, Michel Bloch wrote:
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> I don’t if Professor Raoult is right or not, but, for him, the word
> « idiot » is inappropriate, you might use “character » or “unusual” or
> “bizarre”:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult#Citations
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>  
>
> Amicalement
>
> Michel Bloch
>
> /http://mountvernon.fr//
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> /06 80 57 3398/
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>  
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> *De :* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *De la part de* Steven A Smith
> *Envoyé :* mardi 24 mars 2020 16:27
> *À :* friam at redfish.com
> *Objet :* Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death
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> On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David West wrote:
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>     France is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives there.
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>      
>
>     Just because the first person that told people about this was an
>     idiot does not make the information wrong.
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>      
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> He was far from the first, just the loudest/brashest.   He *would*
> have us believe that he personally *discovered* this off-label
> use...   but that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.
>
> There is a presumed responsibility when you have a megaphone.  But
> that is one of the broken norms for worse (and better).
>
> The unintended consequences of his mass-tweet/news-conference/rally
> announcements are sweeping.  I do not believe he *intended* to cause a
> slam on the chloroquine supply chain, nor for self-described
> self-reliant folks like the AZ couple to run out and make a
> small/obvious but terminal mistake.
>
>  
>
>     davew
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>     On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
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>         Elon Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years ago,
>         and is evidently one of the insistent sources pushing for
>         chloroquine. Sorry, I don’t have references.
>
>         —Barry
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>         On 24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:
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>             My first reaction to this was:  THANK YOU DEAR LEADER!
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>              
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>             https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus
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>              
>
>             But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of
>             accident to POTUS45
>
>             or not... my gut instinct is that his constant raving
>             about it is what
>
>             triggered these people to give it a whirl.
>
>              
>
>             I have one toe in the survivalist/prepper community and
>             they are known
>
>             for aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for
>             fish/aquariums.   All
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>             the major human antibiotics have fish equivalents FishMox
>             and FishFlox
>
>             for example.   There is much discussion/lore/wisdom in
>             that community
>
>             around which products/sources are actually
>             pharmaceutical-grade and
>
>             honest-dosage and well-regulated.   I didn't know of
>             chloroquine 
>
>             phosphate or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I
>             think they
>
>             mean disinfecting.  It sounds to me that the problem was
>             dosage, not
>
>             contamination, but the product they used may have been cut
>             or mixed with
>
>             something toxic to humans.
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>              
>
>             I've a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace
>             Corps who
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>             contracted malaria and was medicated with one of the
>             chloroquine drugs. 
>
>             He understood then (25 years ago) that it was the third
>             world's
>
>             "silver-bullet" and in his case it turned his symptoms around
>
>             (life-threatening) in hours (on an IV).... his response to
>             this
>
>             prescription-from-POTUS is that the death rate in the
>             third world could
>
>             spike if the first world diverts their supply (probably
>             coming from
>
>             China?) abruptly for  our own use.  
>
>              
>
>             I also heard that patients depending on these chloroquines
>             in the first
>
>             world are already finding that the supplies are drying up
>             and many
>
>             cannot get their usual refills.   Doh!
>
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