[FRIAM] ill-conceived question

[Prof David West]

Steve,

birth and control - remove the men from the breeding ground (home) to reduce the number of pregnancies. Father Smith presented the statistical and historical data for this argument.

A near cultural universal is the inverse relation of sex and violence. You want fierce warriors, deny them sex. Rape is just an extension of the violence - no sexual or procreative element.

Sex was used as a reward for soldiers, but not via raping the vanquished. Most have heard of the Japanese "comfort battalions"in WWII, but few are aware of how common that practice was with most armies throughout history.

General Hooker, US Civil War, was famous for his comfort battalion — "Hooker's Legions" — and that is the origin of the common term for a prostitute.

davew


On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> Dave -

>> I once taught an honors course, with Father Smith at St. Thomas on the Anthropology and Theology of War. One of the prime forces behind war — since prehistory — had been nothing more than birth control.
> Do you meant literally *birth* and *control*, or rather *population* and *reduction*?

> The more literal usage works well too. Controlling Births. I think much warfare culminates (or did before modernish times) in the victors killing the men and raping/impregnating and enslaving the women either in-place, inhabiting the conquered lands or taking them back to their homeland. Children alternatively would have been killed or enslaved. Thus the genetic heritage of Genghis Khan...

> One step more sophisticated than the rats?

> I don't think we have to go there, no matter how much the gun hoarders want their chance at being unequivocally "on top" at least for one round of the grande iterated prisoner's dilemma that is human civilization.

> - Steve

>>> Well, in a sense that’s correct. But their method of “birth control” <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238356686_A_Utopian_perspective_on_ecology_and_development> is not one that I am prepared to take as a model. Just imagine the worst sort of dystopian post apocalyptic novel. See the description of the Calhoun experiment on p 224.

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>>> Nick

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>>> < You recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which 24 rats were put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and watered and protected to see how the population would develop. They never got above two hundred. >

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>>> Maybe the rats were right?

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