[FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

[Frank Wimberly]

You've never seen an EEG?

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:45 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Dave,
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> So the same may be said of brains, right?  Brain’s don’t behave.
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> Where are you going with this?
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:27 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
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> Allow Nick to say "a computer behaves as if it is thinking, therefore it
> is thinking."
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> How does a computer behave? Or, what is a computer's behavior? I am
> looking at my computer - actually four of them (iPhone, tablet, laptop, and
> desktop) and the only behavior I see any of them exhibiting is precisely
> identical to the behavior of the glass paperweight that also occupies space
> on my desk.
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> What is this thinking behavior y'all are ascribing to the computer? Am I
> the only one that cannot see it?
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> davew
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> On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
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> Yup.  That’s what he would say.  What *persuades* you that a super
> competent computer can’t think?  Can a dog think?  How would a Martian
> convince you that it (he, she) can think?
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
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> *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2020 9:08 PM
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> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
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> Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a highschool
> student asked me what the *hard problem* is I would say:  There appears
> to be no limit to how competent computers can be.  They seem to be able to
> do just about anything that people think requires thought.  But I am
> persuaded that they can't think.  What makes the difference between
> thinking people and hypercompetent computers?
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> Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks.  I think.
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> Frank
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> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
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> I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just
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> self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not?   Why do I feel like
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> I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"?   I guess that would make me more of
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> an allegorist?
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> > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might want
> to get some help for that.
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> > On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
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> >> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete.  It makes me want to run out and
> blow away a few cacti.  Oh, it's a metaphor!
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