[FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Steven A Smith sasmyth at swcp.com
Tue May 5 11:59:06 EDT 2020


On 5/5/20 9:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> You've never seen an EEG?

Or probed around (carefully) with an oscilliscope/logic-analyzer probe
in your phone while it is operating? 

        (no wonder my phones keep fritzing!)

>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:45 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi, Dave,
>
>      
>
>     So the same may be said of brains, right?  Brain’s don’t behave. 
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>      
>
>     Where are you going with this? 
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>      
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>     N
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>      
>
>     Nicholas Thompson
>
>     Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
>     Clark University
>
>     ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>
>     https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>      
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>      
>
>     *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
>     <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:27 AM
>     *To:* friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
>
>      
>
>     Allow Nick to say "a computer behaves as if it is thinking,
>     therefore it is thinking."
>
>      
>
>     How does a computer behave? Or, what is a computer's behavior? I
>     am looking at my computer - actually four of them (iPhone, tablet,
>     laptop, and desktop) and the only behavior I see any of them
>     exhibiting is precisely identical to the behavior of the glass
>     paperweight that also occupies space on my desk.
>
>      
>
>     What is this thinking behavior y'all are ascribing to the
>     computer? Am I the only one that cannot see it?
>
>      
>
>     davew
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>      
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>      
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>     On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Yup.  That’s what he would say.  What */persuades/* you that a
>         super competent computer can’t think?  Can a dog think?  How
>         would a Martian convince you that it (he, she) can think? 
>
>          
>
>         Nick
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>          
>
>         Nicholas Thompson
>
>         Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
>         Clark University
>
>         ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>
>         https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>          
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>          
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>          
>
>         *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
>         <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
>
>         *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2020 9:08 PM
>
>         *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>         <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>
>         *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
>
>          
>
>         Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a
>         highschool student asked me what the /hard problem/ is I would
>         say:  There appears to be no limit to how competent computers
>         can be.  They seem to be able to do just about anything that
>         people think requires thought.  But I am persuaded that they
>         can't think.  What makes the difference between thinking
>         people and hypercompetent computers? 
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>          
>
>         Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks. 
>         I think.
>
>          
>
>         Frank
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>          
>
>         On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith
>         <sasmyth at swcp.com <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
>
>             I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just
>
>             self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not?   Why
>             do I feel like
>
>             I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"?   I guess that would
>             make me more of
>
>             an allegorist?
>
>              
>
>             > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's
>             compulsive. You might want to get some help for that.
>
>>
>             > On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>
>             >> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete.  It makes me want
>             to run out and blow away a few cacti.  Oh, it's a metaphor!
>
>              
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