[FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
Steven A Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Tue May 5 11:59:06 EDT 2020
On 5/5/20 9:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> You've never seen an EEG?
Or probed around (carefully) with an oscilliscope/logic-analyzer probe
in your phone while it is operating?
(no wonder my phones keep fritzing!)
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> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:45 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Hi, Dave,
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> So the same may be said of brains, right? Brain’s don’t behave.
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> Where are you going with this?
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:27 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
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> Allow Nick to say "a computer behaves as if it is thinking,
> therefore it is thinking."
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> How does a computer behave? Or, what is a computer's behavior? I
> am looking at my computer - actually four of them (iPhone, tablet,
> laptop, and desktop) and the only behavior I see any of them
> exhibiting is precisely identical to the behavior of the glass
> paperweight that also occupies space on my desk.
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> What is this thinking behavior y'all are ascribing to the
> computer? Am I the only one that cannot see it?
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> davew
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> On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yup. That’s what he would say. What */persuades/* you that a
> super competent computer can’t think? Can a dog think? How
> would a Martian convince you that it (he, she) can think?
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
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> *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2020 9:08 PM
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> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve
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> Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a
> highschool student asked me what the /hard problem/ is I would
> say: There appears to be no limit to how competent computers
> can be. They seem to be able to do just about anything that
> people think requires thought. But I am persuaded that they
> can't think. What makes the difference between thinking
> people and hypercompetent computers?
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> Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks.
> I think.
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> Frank
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> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith
> <sasmyth at swcp.com <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
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> I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just
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> self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not? Why
> do I feel like
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> I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"? I guess that would
> make me more of
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> an allegorist?
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> > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's
> compulsive. You might want to get some help for that.
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> > On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
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> >> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete. It makes me want
> to run out and blow away a few cacti. Oh, it's a metaphor!
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