[FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

[Marcus Daniels]

It’s finally come full circle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/science/xenobots-robots-frogs-xenopus.html

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
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Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

When I was on the faculty of the Robotics Institute at CMU our leader (fearless?),Raj Reddy, said that robots are artifacts that sense, think, and act.  Robots are just computers with sensors, including cameras, and actuators.  The "thinking" is the hard part.

See


Raibert, Marc H. and Francis C. Wimberly.

      Tabular Control of Balance in a Dynamic Legged System.

      IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics 14, 1984.



Frank

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:31 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com<mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
I think you have just identified the problem with dualism.

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/


From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
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Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a highschool student asked me what the hard problem is I would say:  There appears to be no limit to how competent computers can be.  They seem to be able to do just about anything that people think requires thought.  But I am persuaded that they can't think.  What makes the difference between thinking people and hypercompetent computers?

Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks.  I think.

I think I think, therefore I think I am?    A real-world exercise in terminating tail recursion?  Waddya think?



Frank

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com<mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just
self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not?   Why do I feel like
I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"?   I guess that would make me more of
an allegorist?

> Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might want to get some help for that.
>
> On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete.  It makes me want to run out and blow away a few cacti.  Oh, it's a metaphor!

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