[FRIAM] IS: Research on Dreams WAS: hidden

[Frank Wimberly]

For which mill:  understanding the patient's unconscious processes.
Anything the patient produces including dream accounts, feelings toward the
therapist (positive and negative), conscious fantasies (sexual or
otherwise), accounts of childhood experiences, crying, rages, forgetting to
pay the bill.  You get the idea.  It's all grist for the mill it's the most
idiographic possible investigation of a human psysche I suspect.

The transference including idealizing and devaluing the therapist,
defiance, rejection, dependency, longing for merger, etc is the most
important grist.

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On Tue, May 19, 2020, 5:22 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, yes, but for which mill??
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> If one accepts dream reports as proxies for dreams, what is the universe
> to which one is generalizing?
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:41 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] IS: Research on Dreams WAS: hidden
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> Memories and the accounts thereof are considered valid dream material and
> it is well known that they have an imperfect relationship to the dream.  It
> doesn't matter.  Even if a person makes up.a dream; it is grist for the
> mill.
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Tue, May 19, 2020, 2:29 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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> This is very close to what I was going to propose, except I intended to
> say something snarky like: We *already* do nomothetic studies of dreams.
> The results of which are gathered and used in sleep labs all over the
> country.
>
> But it sounds like y'all are talking about doing a nomothetic study of
> what people *say*, not what they dream. When someone talks about the
> content of their dreams, can you trust them to tell the truth? ... to know
> the truth? I'd argue, no. They're making up a *story* about what they just
> experienced.
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> The same is true about, say, self-reporting alcohol consumption ... or
> whether or not you'd help a person in an argument with an abusive spouse.
> Narrative is untrustworthy.
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> On 5/19/20 1:20 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> > I settled on soliciting from my colleagues around the country as
> variable a set of song samples and then published on what was true of all
> of them.  The extremes of that sample also gave us grounds to say what a
> mockingbird “could” do.  I suppose this was “nomothetic” research, but it
> also had an idiographic taint.
> >
> > Could this sort approach be used with dreaming?
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