[FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

[Dale Schumacher]

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On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:25 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:

> If the virus helps to convince Trump supporters to see how evil individual
> no. 1 is, there might be something good about it. Every death is still one
> too many. It is hard to understand how a president can go golfing while
> nearly 100,000 people in his country have died in a pandemic.
>
> -J.
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Russ Abbott <russ.abbott at gmail.com>
> Date: 5/25/20 09:04 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>
> Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about
> my emotional reaction.
>
> It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to
> spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do).
> I don't even want an invective to hurl.
>
> It's that I *find myself hoping* that the generic Trump fanboy comes down
> with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a political
> act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you right) but,
> now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I don't want
> real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the political needle,
> I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having problems.
>
> I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of
> red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves
> on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states.
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> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
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>> Nick, for me, that’s not it either.
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>> I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable
>> people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable
>> people, and the innocent.   Specifically, to your interpretation, I will
>> not value their regret and do not seek it.
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>> The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other things.
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>> Marcus
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>> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of "
>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM
>> *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>
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>> Dale,
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>> What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah!  I agree that it’s not
>> quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close.
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>> Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel”
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>> That comes off the tongue pretty good, too.  If invective is what one is
>> after, it’s hard to beat german.
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>> NIck
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>> Nicholas Thompson
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>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
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>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Dale Schumacher
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:30 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
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>> It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term *schadenfreude*.
>> Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take
>> delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population
>> that is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences
>> of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there
>> will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always
>> been a blunt instrument...
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>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> This emotion, culpable though it may be, is so common there is a german
>> word for it, *schadenfreude*.
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>> Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue?
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>> Nicholas Thompson
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>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>
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>> I feel ethically corrupt to find myself hoping for a spike in COVID
>> incidents among Trump voters. But in fact, that's what I'm hoping for.
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>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:11 PM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
>> wrote:
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>> One should do a regression against the popular vote and against the
>> electoral vote.  See if the difference between those regression
>> coefficients carries even more information than the separate values.
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>> On May 24, 2020, at 4:04 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <
>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/05/07/as-states-reopen-covid-19-is-spreading-into-even-more-trump-counties/
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