[FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

[Dale Schumacher]

Sorry. I quoted cases confirmed (which would be higher with more testing,
of course).

The death toll is 97,794.


On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 9:23 AM Dale Schumacher <dale.schumacher at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 1,646,495 as of this morning, according to
> https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:25 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:
>
>> If the virus helps to convince Trump supporters to see how evil
>> individual no. 1 is, there might be something good about it. Every death is
>> still one too many. It is hard to understand how a president can go golfing
>> while nearly 100,000 people in his country have died in a pandemic.
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Russ Abbott <russ.abbott at gmail.com>
>> Date: 5/25/20 09:04 (GMT+01:00)
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>
>> Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about
>> my emotional reaction.
>>
>> It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to
>> spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do).
>> I don't even want an invective to hurl.
>>
>> It's that I *find myself hoping* that the generic Trump fanboy comes
>> down with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a
>> political act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you
>> right) but, now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I
>> don't want real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the
>> political needle, I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having
>> problems.
>>
>> I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of
>> red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves
>> on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nick, for me, that’s not it either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable
>>> people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable
>>> people, and the innocent.   Specifically, to your interpretation, I will
>>> not value their regret and do not seek it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other
>>> things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of "
>>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Date: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM
>>> *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dale,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah!  I agree that it’s
>>> not quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That comes off the tongue pretty good, too.  If invective is what one is
>>> after, it’s hard to beat german.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NIck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>>
>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Dale Schumacher
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:30 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term *schadenfreude*.
>>> Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take
>>> delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population
>>> that is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences
>>> of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there
>>> will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always
>>> been a blunt instrument...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This emotion, culpable though it may be, is so common there is a german
>>> word for it, *schadenfreude*.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>>
>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel ethically corrupt to find myself hoping for a spike in COVID
>>> incidents among Trump voters. But in fact, that's what I'm hoping for.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:11 PM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> One should do a regression against the popular vote and against the
>>> electoral vote.  See if the difference between those regression
>>> coefficients carries even more information than the separate values.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2020, at 4:04 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <
>>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/05/07/as-states-reopen-covid-19-is-spreading-into-even-more-trump-counties/
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