[FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering

[Russ Abbott]

In defense of golfing: after working very hard on something one often needs
a break. Golf can provide that. And if anyone works hard it's Trump. Think
of all the time and energy he puts into shining a spotlight on himself and
defending his image. Very hard work.

In the New Yorker, Borowitz, who writes little satire pieces, has one in
which he has Faucci prescribing golf for Trump. He says that the more time
Trump spends playing golf, the better off the country is.

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 7:24 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:

> If the virus helps to convince Trump supporters to see how evil individual
> no. 1 is, there might be something good about it. Every death is still one
> too many. It is hard to understand how a president can go golfing while
> nearly 100,000 people in his country have died in a pandemic.
>
> -J.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Russ Abbott <russ.abbott at gmail.com>
> Date: 5/25/20 09:04 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>
> Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about
> my emotional reaction.
>
> It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to
> spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do).
> I don't even want an invective to hurl.
>
> It's that I *find myself hoping* that the generic Trump fanboy comes down
> with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a political
> act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you right) but,
> now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I don't want
> real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the political needle,
> I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having problems.
>
> I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of
> red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves
> on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states.
>
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> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nick, for me, that’s not it either.
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>> I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable
>> people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable
>> people, and the innocent.   Specifically, to your interpretation, I will
>> not value their regret and do not seek it.
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>>
>> The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other things.
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>> Marcus
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>> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of "
>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM
>> *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>
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>>
>> Dale,
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>> What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah!  I agree that it’s not
>> quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close.
>>
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>>
>> Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel”
>>
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>>
>> That comes off the tongue pretty good, too.  If invective is what one is
>> after, it’s hard to beat german.
>>
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>> NIck
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>>
>> Nicholas Thompson
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>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Dale Schumacher
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:30 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>
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>>
>> It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term *schadenfreude*.
>> Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take
>> delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population
>> that is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences
>> of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there
>> will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always
>> been a blunt instrument...
>>
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>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This emotion, culpable though it may be, is so common there is a german
>> word for it, *schadenfreude*.
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>> Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue?
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>> n
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>> Nicholas Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering
>>
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>>
>> I feel ethically corrupt to find myself hoping for a spike in COVID
>> incidents among Trump voters. But in fact, that's what I'm hoping for.
>>
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>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:11 PM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> One should do a regression against the popular vote and against the
>> electoral vote.  See if the difference between those regression
>> coefficients carries even more information than the separate values.
>>
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>> On May 24, 2020, at 4:04 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> <
>> thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/05/07/as-states-reopen-covid-19-is-spreading-into-even-more-trump-counties/
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