[FRIAM] Covid and Politics

[Steve Smith]

Nick -

I think Cody's question is a good example of what *I* have tended to
think of as a "Strawman" (other thread) but now will try to call maybe a
stickman or an armature .   I don't think he posited it as a literal "I
can't see why we just don't go do this tomorrow, it is a watertight idea
that needs to be implemented *this instant*" but rather a general thrust
of an idea that *invites* criticism and discussion.  

Marcus' point might have been a "show stopper" invalidating the whole
idea, or I would prefer to frame it as providing a good complementary
'criticism'... a simple and direct reason for which such an idea *might
not* be relevant at all.   Your own response takes Cody's idea more
seriously than mine does...  you are looking to "flesh out" when and how
it *might* make sense.   The nut of your observation here seems to be
that in a year (or so) we will A) become desperate enough to risk
harming our children deliberately (think measles parties in the 50s?)
and B) we will have resolved questions as implied by Marcus (maybe the
immunity is not strong or long lasting enough to be worth the risk, or
maybe it is); and C) by then we will know how effective of a vaccine or
alternative therapies will be available.

Your own "white van" example I also take as a deliberately nearly-absurd
example to draw fire, to find the complement to, to
build-from-as-if-an-armature.   I'm not fully sure what all you gesture
at with your white van and fortified la-bajada image, but I take it to
suggest B) la-bajada: Isolating a community (like Gunnison CO did in
1918) and A) relaxing civil rights
laws/regulations/expectations/standards to the point that anyone implied
to be infected can be snatched by a biohazard-suited swat-team in a
white van and tested and either released (with a thin or fat apology and
maybe even reparations) or incarcerated in a gilded cage with lots of
luxuries and top medical care until the infected becomes recovered and
then released to "go forth and prosper"

- Steve


> Interesting, Cody.  
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> I think if a vaccine weren’t within a year or so, such a policy might
> be entertained, unlike my suggestion of white vans plus shooting
> everybody who tries to come up la bajada.
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> Who would staff it?  The staff would have to be isolated in the camp,
> too.
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> Medical Staff would have to be really good.  A really good hospital
> would have to be quickly available.
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> Parents would have to sign releases. 
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> Other than that, I can’t see why that doesn’t work.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *cody dooderson
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:12 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics
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> I had what I think is a great idea for herd immunity. What if the
> government were to open overnight summer camps, and even pay for every
> kid to spend 1 month canoeing, camping, and most importantly catching
> covid. This way they could gain a herd immunity so that school could
> safely open in September.
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> On Wed, May 27, 2020, 2:05 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com
> <mailto:sasmyth at swcp.com>> wrote:
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>     Cody -
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>         Nothing in my search will be ready for the September deadline.
>         Where did this deadline come from?
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>     I think September is a placeholder for: 
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>      1. Return to School (and the social mixing implied at all grade
>         levels)
>      2. Acutely (equinox) shortening days of sunlight (UV on outdoor
>         surfaces and time spent out/indoors/close quarters)
>      3. Cooler weather (not sure that is anything but a proxy for 2?).
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