[FRIAM] Biden beats Trump
Robert J. Cordingley
robert at cirrillian.com
Wed Nov 11 19:30:19 EST 2020
BTW, I worry smiling Pompeo wasn't in denial he was predicting a 'smooth
transition to a second term'.
Meanwhile, PBS is showing the Rise of the Nazis see
https://www.pbs.org/show/rise-nazis/. It took 4 years for the Nazis to
destroy democracy.
-Robert C
On 11/11/20 4:11 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
> So at some point, too, though, there are actual facts and things and
> events in the world, which aren’t just cut from the fabric of human
> impression and attitude.
>
> Suppose the following; as I was walking thisPM, after finally watching
> the Van Jones TED that Glen circulated, it seemed quite believable to me.
>
> 1. Suppose what Van sketches is actually the plan. Trump plans to
> instigate a constitutional crisis. I think he is capable of planning
> to that degree of complexity and on that time horizon. And I have no
> reason in the world not to think Bill Barr would be down with the
> lark, and could advise him on the law to do it. I’m not sure Pompeo
> has the same background, but in character I expect he would think it
> is a great idea.
>
> 2. Then we wind up in congress. He doesn’t have a huge margin; there
> are only 26 republican representatives (or whatever the name is for
> them). So he really needs them all. That’s what the last four years
> has been for. Figure out who has any other levers besides greed of
> fear, and get them out. Keep Graham and Cruz and all the rest like
> them, who are amoral and predatory, and Collins and her ilk who can be
> terrorized.
>
> 3. Suppose people decide to object, and want to take to the streets.
> Really a terrible time to have Esper running DOD. He wouldn’t sic
> the US armed forces on them. So find some quasi-fascist brigadier
> general who thinks might is not merely right, but Everything. Of
> course, you have to goad people and try to provoke them, so that the
> lower-downs in the military will be willing to take orders, not
> because they think the orders are moral, but because they feel
> threatened and are trying to protect themselves and each other.
> That’s always how you co-opt soldiers.
>
> I look at the footage of old civil rights protestors, singing,
> dancing, and clapping while being herded into paddy wagons, after
> generations of abuse, and I cannot imagine a large cross-section of
> Americans today with the discipline to do the same if provoked. So
> goading a few people into violence, and then using that to excuse a
> military lockdown, doesn’t seem out of reach.
>
> Does anyone, anywhere, think the thing to make this unrealistic would
> be trump’s getting cold feet or having qualms? If so, then I think
> that person is on the wrong side of a factual evaluation that has
> nothing to do with values or character. One of the two positions is
> right.
>
> The rest is really a calculation. How degraded are the other needed
> actors, and how wide is the margin of error for the ones who would try
> it? There people could have opinions deriving from their own
> characters or their beliefs in the characters of others, which I can
> easily see disagreeing. It also may not have a deterministic answer,
> but boil down to accidents of circumstance. So the disagreement could
> reasonably reflect this too.
>
> Dunno. If you can read enough news to know that S. Korea exists, how
> can your intelligence lead you to believe either that trump and co
> have done this well, or that if they haven’t it’s no big deal? That
> to me does not seem to be a question about ideology.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Stephen Guerin
>> <stephen.guerin at simtable.com <mailto:stephen.guerin at simtable.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Marcus,
>>
>> Do you have close friend or family member with strong character and
>> high intelligence that is also a Trump voter? My brother-in-law is a
>> submarine captain. It was helpful to have a 3-hour call with him last
>> night.
>>
>> I come away with the idea that his mental model is not opposed to
>> mine...it's more of a dual to mine on which future Action can be
>> defined :-)
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:35 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com
>> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Roger writes:
>>
>> < These people weren't voting for rascism, misogyny, narcissism,
>> authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming, science denialism, or
>> all that other baggage, they were overlooking it for reasons. >
>>
>> Many of those that could not work due to COVID restrictions are
>> often in battleground or red states. That’s the only way I can
>> possibly begin to rationalize the 71 million. To me, overlooking
>> those things is unacceptable. It’s not useful to exercise any
>> empathy for them. They made a deal with the devil. It should
>> have been a win by 50 million, not 5 million.
>>
>> Marcus
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