[FRIAM] Political compass teest

Mon Oct 12 22:33:21 EDT 2020

Steve,

You assume I have some fealty to the notion of "personal freedoms".
 Perhaps that is unwarranted.   I just see no reason to be an ass.

>>I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are
clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their
personal freedoms.  That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:18 AM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Carl Tollander wrote:
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> -9,-8.1
> But I do think it would depend a bit on the day.
> Oddly, never thought of myself as a libertarian.
>
> I think some pretty strong *Fascists* co-opted the term "Libertarian" for
> themselves.   My experience with the *L*ibertarian self-identified is they
> seem to lean toward a virulent extremist willingness to *assert their will*
> on others under the guise of protecting *their will from subversion* .
> When I was younger (more juiced on the hormones and rhetoric and appeal of
> competition?) I was more seduced by some of that.  Now it just makes me
> feel systemically ill.
>
> I don't know you well Carl, but from what I do think I know, you are
> clearly *very* independent and *very* considerate of others and their
> personal freedoms.  That sounds pretty *l*ibertarian to me FWIW.
>
> - Steve
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> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
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>> There is another aspect of staying behind which puts more weight on
>> maintaining local (e.g. family and childhood) relationships.   I don’t
>> think this inclination is overtly authoritarian.   However, a strong desire
>> to maintain a social fabric could lead to policing mechanisms for them, and
>> that brings in (say) the church.  When a social network is more important
>> than having any sort of purpose, weird things happen.   Wired has an
>> article on some crazies up in Forks, Washington that is worth a skim.
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020 7:35 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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>> So this is metastasizing now, and there have been other decades when it
>> wasn’t such a problem, or at least not as overt.
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>> Is that due to demographic sorting?  In more prosperous (or even just
>> earlier) times, enough people stayed near where they were born that
>> cultures got some mix of preferences, and you didn’t have whole regions
>> “submitting too much to the authorities in their lives”.  But when those
>> who wanted out could get out, and did so systematically, the ones who
>> stayed behind could create a tailored paradise for the preferences that had
>> caused them to stay behind?
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>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
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>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/
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>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:27 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
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>> There’s a page on the 2020 election where they claim, among other strange
>> things, that Warren is a right-leaning authoritarian.   If that is true,
>> which I doubt, it says to me politicians are mirroring the electorate in a
>> very obscure way.   And I am pretty sure I am not far to the left of Bernie
>> Sanders.
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Guerin
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:39 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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>> ec=-5.75 & soc=-6.3
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>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:18 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I’m more of a libertarian than Dave is?  Something MUST be wrong, here.
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>> Nicholas Thompson
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>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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>> Clark University
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>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:39 PM
>> *To:* friam at redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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>> Econ left/right:      -0.88
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>> Social Lib/Auth:     -6.1
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>> davew
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>> NOT a Libertarian
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>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, at 5:56 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
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>> Do we all agree at an insanely high level?  Then wtf have we been arguing
>> about all these years.  Let’s wait until Glen and Dave take the test before
>> we bury all our hatchets.
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>> Nicholas Thompson
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>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz
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>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2020 5:29 PM
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>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest
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>> I was pretty much dead center in the lower left quadrant, which was
>> surprising to me. I would have thought I would be in the middle of the
>> whole graph.
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>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM George Duncan <gtduncan at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Jon, I took it. I'm barely left on economics and strongly libertarian on
>> social issues
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>> George Duncan
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>> Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University
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>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 3:22 PM jon zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I just took the political compass test and surprise surprise, I am a
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