[FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town...

Wed Sep 16 19:02:15 EDT 2020

Frank, I also wonder how many of these boogaloo boys were trained to fight
through video games, and are just looking for a real life outlet for their
thousands of hours of "training". Does it harm a society to have a large
portion of the population trained in war fighting? I see them like the
extra white blood cells in a body during an allergic reaction. It is
important for a human body to regulate defensive cells so that they don't
destroy healthy cells.

Since we are talking politics. I just witnessed the longest
advertisement for the republican party I have ever heard. My in-laws are
devout Catholics and watch sermons on TV. As I was reading about our health
secretaries' connections to Russian media, they were in the other room
having a priest shame them into voting for a particular party that he did
not mention. It was hard to listen too. If those sermons were your most
trusted source of information, then you would absolutely want to avoid
hell. Anyways, it has been eye opening to see the persuasiveness of these
televangelists.

Cody Smith

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:34 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Frank -
>
> I think you just missed the Santa Fe City/County firearms "buyback" which
> has some charms (though I think they are constrained to always destroy the
> weapons, which may contradict some particular antique value of one or the
> other).
>
> I DO think firearms of the type you likely inherited (pre 1950
> manufacture?) are for the most part, not in the problematic class...
>
> According to Wikipedia, NM does require background checks on private
> purchases... it would probably be easier for you to sell to a gun dealer,
> possibly at a gun show.   Such a person would at least understand the
> collectible value of what you have, whether they pay a fair price for it or
> not (guy's gotta make a profit?).
>
> My own values suggest that A) you make sure the firearms don't get abused
> in this modern gun-crazy culture; B) make sure that any familial
> sentimentality is not violated (sounds like that phase has already been
> passed); C) make sure any particularly interesting vintage pieces make
> their way to proper collector/museum hands.   Roughly in that order.   They
> could also be rendered inoperable such that it would require a gunsmith to
> return them to fireable condition.  I'm guessing in all cases, removing or
> filing down a firing pin is the method.
>
> While I often imply (maybe even boldly state?)  That I do not own any
> firearms, I AM the curator of two revolvers handed down to me, I just
> deliberately don't maintain any ammunition, nor do I fetishize them (as
> cool of mechanisms as they are when inspected closely).   I DID incorporate
> the (very slightly damaged) barrel of my Grandfather's service .45
> (replaced by my father during his tenure with it) into an art piece about
> "action at a distance"... cartography and ballistic weapons..
>
> *(it was selected in a juried art-show making me "an Artist" which in turn
> means (I believe) now anything I craft that I *call* Art, is now, in fact
> *Art* because I'm an artist (see first clause) and I *say so*!    I am in
> the same boat as you Frank, thinking I might best just remove these fancy
> mechanisms from being useful for threatening/wounding/killing
> people/animals/roadsigns.)*
>
> When closing down my parents house after my dad died and my mother opted
> for an assisted living lifestyle, his two *rifles* went missing.    I did
> not know precisely where they were stored, but had an idea and sought them
> out first to make sure they didn't "get loose".  Both were fairly
> innocuous... the first being my Grandfather's *other* WWI service weapon
> (30.06 bolt-action single-shot used by my father as a deer rifle with open
> sights) and the other being a 20 guage shotgun my father took in trade from
> a colleague early in his career but never really used...   He had let go of
> a .22 plinking rifle somewhere in his retirement, so I didn't have to look
> for that.   The revolvers and a tiny (by most people's measure) cache of
> ammunition (at least a decade stale by that time) were nearby but the
> likely thief (someone who had done some work/help for my parents who had
> access to the building and must have seen the weapons) didn't find.   While
> either of the weapons "lost" could be used to threaten, harm or kill
> someone, they are nothing compared to the now-popular assault-style
> semi-automatics and combat (12ga) shotguns.   My father taught me the
> basics of firearms handling and safety and sent me through an NRA sponsored
> course around age 13 which I am thankful for.  I handled his weapons enough
> during that time to become moderately proficient and familiar but I suspect
> I'm more accurate with my bow or a rock than I would be with a firearm.
>
> I don't know what to offer about your youngster who is being indoctrinated
> into gun violence/combat by the popular culture...  I myself can be seduced
> by the action shows and some aspects of strong action-oriented
> computer-video games... with "action" as a euphemism for *aggressive
> violence* I suppose.  I believe that we, as a culture, are rather unhealthy
> in a number of dimensions, this being one of the more acutely obvious (to
> some of us) ones.
>
> Good on you for caring enough to do right by this issue.
>
> - Steve
>
> I inherited or received as gifts six firearms (rifles and pistols) from
> the previous generation of my family.  They were ranchers, farmers, or
> railroad workers at various times in their lives.  I would be happy to sell
> the whole lot.  It may be the case that a sale of any of them would have to
> be done in connection with an investigation of the buyer's possible
> criminal background.  Does anyone know?  I can call the police if a buyer
> appears.  They are all now in a very secure safe since I live with a young
> boy with an intense interest in guns and combat.  He watches videos made by
> high school and college students and plays video games almost all of which
> have combat modes.  I wishi it were possible to assess the association of
> such games and videos with violent criminal activity later in life.  If
> that were possible would it affect their availability?
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 1:48 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think it probably depends on the time horizon.   While the social wound
>> is healing it probably helps the authoritarians, in the long run there is
>> memory.   Counting on empathy at all seems pretty iffy to me.   It depends
>> where one sits in the socio-economic scheme of things and how you see the
>> future.    I would just replace the your recommendation of
>> group-self-policing with self-modulating.   Invoke chaos when chaos will be
>> untenable to stop by force -- when it is in fact terrifying to those in
>> power to have it continue.
>>
>> It definitely makes me think every time I drive by the local hardware
>> store and still see it boarded up with plywood -- the plywood now covered
>> with graffiti.  It makes me speculate about the guilty conscience of the
>> owners, actually.   The movie theater across the street put up a Black
>> Lives Matter sign on the marquee, and nothing happened to them.
>>
>> This is reptile brain stuff, but I think it has an impact.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:36 PM
>> To: FriAM <friam at redfish.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town...
>>
>> I can't find it now. But some outlet argued that state-sponsored violence
>> positively reinforced empathy for the victim and negatively reinforced
>> empathy for the police and state. And riot-violence positively reinforced
>> empathy for the police and state and negatively reinforced opinions of the
>> rioters. I don't believe it (yet) because it makes too much *sense* to be
>> an actual result. Sounds like rationalization or confirmation bias.
>>
>> But if it's true, then riots do work ... to bolster a fascist state.
>> Rioters who call themselves "anarchists" are either tools of the fascists
>> or just too stupid to understand what they're doing. Actual anarchists
>> would not riot.
>>
>> On 9/16/20 12:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> > In my neighborhood somewhat hijacked a LED street sign to say "Riot's
>> work".   If it is just the 2nd amendment types barging into the capitols
>> with their guns, then the danger will be perceived as one-sided.
>>
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