[FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town...

Thu Sep 17 10:19:24 EDT 2020

Thanks, Steve.  The only one that even approaches being semi-auto is a
double-action .22 revolver.  The rest are old-fashioned lever or bolt
action.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 3:34 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Frank -
>
> I think you just missed the Santa Fe City/County firearms "buyback" which
> has some charms (though I think they are constrained to always destroy the
> weapons, which may contradict some particular antique value of one or the
> other).
>
> I DO think firearms of the type you likely inherited (pre 1950
> manufacture?) are for the most part, not in the problematic class...
>
> According to Wikipedia, NM does require background checks on private
> purchases... it would probably be easier for you to sell to a gun dealer,
> possibly at a gun show.   Such a person would at least understand the
> collectible value of what you have, whether they pay a fair price for it or
> not (guy's gotta make a profit?).
>
> My own values suggest that A) you make sure the firearms don't get abused
> in this modern gun-crazy culture; B) make sure that any familial
> sentimentality is not violated (sounds like that phase has already been
> passed); C) make sure any particularly interesting vintage pieces make
> their way to proper collector/museum hands.   Roughly in that order.   They
> could also be rendered inoperable such that it would require a gunsmith to
> return them to fireable condition.  I'm guessing in all cases, removing or
> filing down a firing pin is the method.
>
> While I often imply (maybe even boldly state?)  That I do not own any
> firearms, I AM the curator of two revolvers handed down to me, I just
> deliberately don't maintain any ammunition, nor do I fetishize them (as
> cool of mechanisms as they are when inspected closely).   I DID incorporate
> the (very slightly damaged) barrel of my Grandfather's service .45
> (replaced by my father during his tenure with it) into an art piece about
> "action at a distance"... cartography and ballistic weapons..
>
> *(it was selected in a juried art-show making me "an Artist" which in turn
> means (I believe) now anything I craft that I *call* Art, is now, in fact
> *Art* because I'm an artist (see first clause) and I *say so*!    I am in
> the same boat as you Frank, thinking I might best just remove these fancy
> mechanisms from being useful for threatening/wounding/killing
> people/animals/roadsigns.)*
>
> When closing down my parents house after my dad died and my mother opted
> for an assisted living lifestyle, his two *rifles* went missing.    I did
> not know precisely where they were stored, but had an idea and sought them
> out first to make sure they didn't "get loose".  Both were fairly
> innocuous... the first being my Grandfather's *other* WWI service weapon
> (30.06 bolt-action single-shot used by my father as a deer rifle with open
> sights) and the other being a 20 guage shotgun my father took in trade from
> a colleague early in his career but never really used...   He had let go of
> a .22 plinking rifle somewhere in his retirement, so I didn't have to look
> for that.   The revolvers and a tiny (by most people's measure) cache of
> ammunition (at least a decade stale by that time) were nearby but the
> likely thief (someone who had done some work/help for my parents who had
> access to the building and must have seen the weapons) didn't find.   While
> either of the weapons "lost" could be used to threaten, harm or kill
> someone, they are nothing compared to the now-popular assault-style
> semi-automatics and combat (12ga) shotguns.   My father taught me the
> basics of firearms handling and safety and sent me through an NRA sponsored
> course around age 13 which I am thankful for.  I handled his weapons enough
> during that time to become moderately proficient and familiar but I suspect
> I'm more accurate with my bow or a rock than I would be with a firearm.
>
> I don't know what to offer about your youngster who is being indoctrinated
> into gun violence/combat by the popular culture...  I myself can be seduced
> by the action shows and some aspects of strong action-oriented
> computer-video games... with "action" as a euphemism for *aggressive
> violence* I suppose.  I believe that we, as a culture, are rather unhealthy
> in a number of dimensions, this being one of the more acutely obvious (to
> some of us) ones.
>
> Good on you for caring enough to do right by this issue.
>
> - Steve
>
> I inherited or received as gifts six firearms (rifles and pistols) from
> the previous generation of my family.  They were ranchers, farmers, or
> railroad workers at various times in their lives.  I would be happy to sell
> the whole lot.  It may be the case that a sale of any of them would have to
> be done in connection with an investigation of the buyer's possible
> criminal background.  Does anyone know?  I can call the police if a buyer
> appears.  They are all now in a very secure safe since I live with a young
> boy with an intense interest in guns and combat.  He watches videos made by
> high school and college students and plays video games almost all of which
> have combat modes.  I wishi it were possible to assess the association of
> such games and videos with violent criminal activity later in life.  If
> that were possible would it affect their availability?
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 1:48 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think it probably depends on the time horizon.   While the social wound
>> is healing it probably helps the authoritarians, in the long run there is
>> memory.   Counting on empathy at all seems pretty iffy to me.   It depends
>> where one sits in the socio-economic scheme of things and how you see the
>> future.    I would just replace the your recommendation of
>> group-self-policing with self-modulating.   Invoke chaos when chaos will be
>> untenable to stop by force -- when it is in fact terrifying to those in
>> power to have it continue.
>>
>> It definitely makes me think every time I drive by the local hardware
>> store and still see it boarded up with plywood -- the plywood now covered
>> with graffiti.  It makes me speculate about the guilty conscience of the
>> owners, actually.   The movie theater across the street put up a Black
>> Lives Matter sign on the marquee, and nothing happened to them.
>>
>> This is reptile brain stuff, but I think it has an impact.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:36 PM
>> To: FriAM <friam at redfish.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Don't take your guns (or ammo) to town...
>>
>> I can't find it now. But some outlet argued that state-sponsored violence
>> positively reinforced empathy for the victim and negatively reinforced
>> empathy for the police and state. And riot-violence positively reinforced
>> empathy for the police and state and negatively reinforced opinions of the
>> rioters. I don't believe it (yet) because it makes too much *sense* to be
>> an actual result. Sounds like rationalization or confirmation bias.
>>
>> But if it's true, then riots do work ... to bolster a fascist state.
>> Rioters who call themselves "anarchists" are either tools of the fascists
>> or just too stupid to understand what they're doing. Actual anarchists
>> would not riot.
>>
>> On 9/16/20 12:17 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> > In my neighborhood somewhat hijacked a LED street sign to say "Riot's
>> work".   If it is just the 2nd amendment types barging into the capitols
>> with their guns, then the danger will be perceived as one-sided.
>>
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