[FRIAM] why some people hate cops

[Frank Wimberly]

I am an author of 6+ published papers in complexity but the topic
"algorithms for inference of gene regulatory networks using causal
reasoning" would not keep people's interest I fear.  Nor would "validation
of ABMs using causal inference".  Any presentation of that work would
require a projector and/or a whiteboard.  I like unstructured, informal
conversations along the lines of the discussions on the List.

p.s.  the papers mentioned are available for reading.


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On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 3:24 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Steve,
>
>
>
> Well, I hate people who hate.  Hating something, particularly any category
> as broad as “religious people”, is like putting your own eyes out and
> blaming the darkness.  I hate myself when I hate.  But I think the hatred
> described here is mostly rhetorical.  There is a way of talking on FRIAM
> that involves using hyperbole with a wink, and, given that 80 percent of
> Americans are more or less religious, I think this is an example.  It’s
> almost equivalent to saying, “I hate people,” which I can complete
> understand, but wouldn’t admit to out loud.  Actually,  I don’t think there
> are a lot of haters in this group.
>
> ‘
>
> I think we are at our best as a group when we talk about things we (1)
> care about, (2) on which we have some [expert?} experience to bring to
> bear, and on which our minds are at least slightly ajar.    I do wish
> complexity would rear its ugly head more often in our discussions, but I
> would guess we have drifted away from it both in caring and in knowledge,
> so, if we tried to get a discussion going, it would be like burping up last
> night’s *Famiglia Cribari. **µ*
>
>
>
> Nick
>
> *µ  For those of you who are under 80, Famiglia Cribari was the graduate
> student wine of choice in the 60’s.  You bought it in jugs.  If you brought
> a whole jug to a pot luck, you were forgiven for not bringing any food.  *
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Guerin
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:15 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Cc:* Owen Densmore <owen at backspaces.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] why some people hate cops
>
>
>
> Marcus writes:
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>    I guess the only thing I hate more than cops are religious people.
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> As a list admin, this might be flaggable.  I'm not sure if expressing
> hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems
> to be at least up to the line. Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more
> than cops are gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to
> intercede?
>
> As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and
> incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will
> take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where
> the line of hate speech is.
>
>
>
> Now, as a fellow list member and religious person, I find your hate an
> opportunity for discussion and exploration.  I would estimate your emotion
> is held by at least a rough majority of list members.
>
> The Science / Religion schism, I think it is one of the great divides in
> our political situation and may signify a phase transition in our culture
> as we stretch for new metaphors in scientific and spiritual understanding.
> The 2000-year old metaphors are certainly getting long in the tooth.
> Similarly, many on this list feel the 60-year-old scientific metaphors
> around fundamental questions of intelligence and living systems are in the
> process of updating and exploration. I suspect there will be opportunities
> for synthesis.
>
>  Perhaps Merle would like to facilitate a virtualFriam on the topic.
>
>
>
> -Stephen
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