[FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

[Pieter Steenekamp]

My opinion (for what it's worth) is that we will one day "grow" emergent
complexity like consciousness in software using ABM and as humans we won't
really understand the outcome. Exactly as we'll never "understand" human
consciousness and perceived free will, etc. The only difference is it will
be silicon not carbon.
There's already applications, like traffic modelling where the emergent
behavior of the ABM matches reality much more accurately than any human
understanding



On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 20:08, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> Not magic.  We can still reason about what a recursive or even
> probabilistic recursive function must do.   We can reason about intertwined
> functions, or, even functions with entangled states if meat bags had such
> things.   I can imagine implementing an executive process for a robot that
> would result in something one might call agency.   This all works fine
> within the bounds of purely deterministic things.   It is just another
> computer program.
>
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> The magic lies in the interoception, measuring one's self. Surely you'll
> admit that a recursive function is different, even if only slightly, from a
> non-recursive function. And if you allow that difference, then you might
> allow that mixed-[co]domain functions are different from single-[co]domain
> functions ... maybe we could call them "hyperfunctions" to follow along
> with EricS' recent use of hypergraphs?
>
> While I can't claim to be able to identify exactly a class of
> hyperfunctions that constitute a subjective feeling of agency (or an
> objective coherence that warrants legal/social *blame*), I think that's
> where the magic lies.
>
> I suppose it's akin to (Edelman &) Tononi's IIT ... where some collections
> of functions are more interoceptive and mutally intertwined than others. A
> self-driving Tesla might be more likely to have free will than a CD player.
>
> On 4/2/21 10:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > More functions.   Keep turning over the rocks and tell me when you find
> magic.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter
> > Steenekamp
> > *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 10:37 AM
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <friam at redfish.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic
> >
> >
> >
> > Evolution gave us our utility function. Natural selection gave it to
> > us
>
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