[FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

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"Manipulated" by whom?

(Marcus, feel free to ignore this probe; I really haven't been paying close enough attention to make it.)

Nick 

Nick Thompson
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 11:27 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

The person that does not feel free will is consistent with a curious person.  Let's see what the world does next and not be afraid.   Let's appreciate what we experience because that's all we are.  Let's recognize mental distress is just a physical state that can be manipulated.

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ???
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:16 AM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Ha! Well, you can't program something out of a machine if you don't know what it is you're trying to program out of them. I mean, we could just kill everyone and that would solve the problem as you state it. A more refined answer is to figure out the mechanism at work, first. Then decide how/if to modify it. But, of course, I'm a manipulationist. So I don't think we'll understand the mechanism without perturbing it and measuring the effects.

Can we transform someone who *feels* free will into someone who does not? I'd argue, yes. The trajectory from relative mental health to fatalistic debilitating depression *might* be inducible ... say, via pandemic lockdowns. But that would be an unethical experiment ... best do it with rats first, then translate the results to humans ... 'cause who cares about the feelings of rats?

On 4/5/21 10:07 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Don't agree.  The task is to learn that our sense of agency is an illusion, not further to burden our creations with it.   Do them a favor and program it *out* of them.

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