[FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

[Gary Schiltz]

Here is one reason to be interested: much of the world is still months,
maybe years, away from getting access to vaccines. My adopted country of
Ecuador as a case in point.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:52 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This does not seem interesting to me.  The vaccines have been demonstrated
> to be effective and safe to very large degrees based on many millions of
> inoculations.  Why should I care about some suspect studies with small n.
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> On Thu, May 6, 2021, 11:33 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Phellow Phriammers,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have noted that most of what I have written here of late has been
>> ignored, and that’s ok, actually.  Usually, it is the possibility that you
>> MIGHT read what I write that keeps me writing and, behaviorist to the last,
>> writing is what I need to do in order to think.
>>
>>
>>
>> But this situation is different.  I really don’t know what to think about
>> Pavlovic’s <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dragan-Pavlovic-4>
>> paper.  There may have been some trouble with the cloud version, so I have
>> attached it to this message.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, this is a case where I really need some help.  I realize that you are
>> all engaged in this excellent correspondence about UBI, which has revealed
>> all sorts of “-ists” that I never thought were alive and well in the world,
>> let alone in this group.  I would not interfere with that for a second.
>> But, could a few of you take a look at his paper
>> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV>  (very
>> short, a commentary, actually).  I think he is actually a candidate for
>> this group.  He is an MD, Phd, anaesthesiologist, retired in Paris, who has
>> participated in hundreds of scientific papers,  who is passionate ( I
>> worry, perhaps sometimes a bit too passionate) about dozens of different
>> things and suspicious of everything. He wants, for instance, to dig a
>> gigantic tunnel to bring large ships directly from the danube to the
>> Mediterranean.
>>
>>
>>
>> I, of course, live in a bubble, but I don’t like to have that fact thrust
>> in my face as powerfully as when he reveals to me that the two HAAA=VUD
>> papers denouncing Chloquoroquine were retracted a year ago, and I never
>> found out.  I can’t get any sense of whether there has been any attempt to
>> revive them or to redo the original clinical study that suggested HCQ’s
>> efficacy against CoVid.
>>
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>>
>> Any little bit of help you could give me would be great.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
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>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
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>> *From:* thompnickson2 at gmail.com <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:48 PM
>> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Cc:* 'Prof David West' <profwest at fastmail.fm>
>> *Subject:* Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> I attach a paper
>> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV> written by
>> an internet acquaintance I made some years back, Dragan Pavlovic.  I am
>> sending it along for two reasons.  First, it reveals (to me, at least) that
>> the two negative studies on Hydroxychloroquine use in SARS-CoVid-19
>> treatment were based on unverified data and were withdrawn by their authors
>> almost immediately.  (Have the rest of you known this for the last year and
>> not told me?  I cannot believe, after we pilloried poor Dave for advocating
>> for it, that he has not gloated about it. ) Second, Pavlovic raises the
>> intension/extension distinction in the context of the interpretation of
>> scientific results and also questions Randomized Control Trials as the
>> "Gold Standard" for discovery. Thus, I think he is a kindred spirit, being
>> a bit of a grumpy contrarian like many of us here.  I have promised to
>> forward any comments you make to him, so be polite but speak truth.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Nicholas Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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