[FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

Thu May 6 19:56:40 EDT 2021

My friends in Mexico say the same.  As my grandmother ( and all the other
grandmas) used to say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Why do we have excesses while poorer countries have shortages.  I know that
there are limits to the capacity to manufacture the vaccines but is a more
equitable distribution not possible?

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, May 6, 2021, 2:33 PM Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
wrote:

> Here is one reason to be interested: much of the world is still months,
> maybe years, away from getting access to vaccines. My adopted country of
> Ecuador as a case in point.
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:52 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This does not seem interesting to me.  The vaccines have been
>> demonstrated to be effective and safe to very large degrees based on many
>> millions of inoculations.  Why should I care about some suspect studies
>> with small n.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Thu, May 6, 2021, 11:33 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Phellow Phriammers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have noted that most of what I have written here of late has been
>>> ignored, and that’s ok, actually.  Usually, it is the possibility that you
>>> MIGHT read what I write that keeps me writing and, behaviorist to the last,
>>> writing is what I need to do in order to think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But this situation is different.  I really don’t know what to think
>>> about Pavlovic’s
>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dragan-Pavlovic-4> paper.  There
>>> may have been some trouble with the cloud version, so I have attached it to
>>> this message.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, this is a case where I really need some help.  I realize that you
>>> are all engaged in this excellent correspondence about UBI, which has
>>> revealed all sorts of “-ists” that I never thought were alive and well in
>>> the world, let alone in this group.  I would not interfere with that for a
>>> second.  But, could a few of you take a look at his paper
>>> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV>  (very
>>> short, a commentary, actually).  I think he is actually a candidate for
>>> this group.  He is an MD, Phd, anaesthesiologist, retired in Paris, who has
>>> participated in hundreds of scientific papers,  who is passionate ( I
>>> worry, perhaps sometimes a bit too passionate) about dozens of different
>>> things and suspicious of everything. He wants, for instance, to dig a
>>> gigantic tunnel to bring large ships directly from the danube to the
>>> Mediterranean.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I, of course, live in a bubble, but I don’t like to have that fact
>>> thrust in my face as powerfully as when he reveals to me that the two
>>> HAAA=VUD papers denouncing Chloquoroquine were retracted a year ago, and I
>>> never found out.  I can’t get any sense of whether there has been any
>>> attempt to revive them or to redo the original clinical study that
>>> suggested HCQ’s efficacy against CoVid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any little bit of help you could give me would be great.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick Thompson
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* thompnickson2 at gmail.com <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:48 PM
>>> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Cc:* 'Prof David West' <profwest at fastmail.fm>
>>> *Subject:* Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I attach a paper
>>> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV> written by
>>> an internet acquaintance I made some years back, Dragan Pavlovic.  I am
>>> sending it along for two reasons.  First, it reveals (to me, at least) that
>>> the two negative studies on Hydroxychloroquine use in SARS-CoVid-19
>>> treatment were based on unverified data and were withdrawn by their authors
>>> almost immediately.  (Have the rest of you known this for the last year and
>>> not told me?  I cannot believe, after we pilloried poor Dave for advocating
>>> for it, that he has not gloated about it. ) Second, Pavlovic raises the
>>> intension/extension distinction in the context of the interpretation of
>>> scientific results and also questions Randomized Control Trials as the
>>> "Gold Standard" for discovery. Thus, I think he is a kindred spirit, being
>>> a bit of a grumpy contrarian like many of us here.  I have promised to
>>> forward any comments you make to him, so be polite but speak truth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick Nicholas Thompson
>>>
>>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>>
>>> Clark University
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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