[FRIAM] Morphogenisis
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Sat May 8 23:21:18 EDT 2021
Stellar Eric!
Two observations:
I recently learned the term "Teleonomic" which I really like as an
alternative to "Telelogical" in many cases.
And what of the difference between "Light follows a shortest-time path
through space" and "Light IS the shortest time path through space"?
Both of the latter may be wrong, but they are qualitatively different in
an interesting way, no?
- Steve
On 5/8/21 9:13 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
> English has two categories of verbs: intransitive and transitive.
>
> If you use an intransitive verb — “yet it moves” — the Metaphor Nazi
> will catch you coming: claiming you are representing volition.
>
> If you use a transitive verb — “it is moved by gravity” — the Metaphor
> Nazi will catch you going: claiming an agent/patient relation, where
> the agent is probably (metaphorically) God (!), or whatever God is a
> metaphor for.
>
> And we have from Ecclesiastes (the verse in praise of the Metaphor Nazi):
> http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/59.html#:~:text=If%20there%20be%20nothing%20new%20(1)%3A%20Compare%20Ecclesiastes%201.9,new%20thing%20under%20the%20sun.%22
> <http://www.shakespeare-online.com/sonnets/59.html#:~:text=If there be
> nothing new (1): Compare Ecclesiastes 1.9,new thing under the sun.">
> Ecclesiastes 1.9: "The thing that hath been is that which shall be;
> and that which hath been done is that which shall be done; and there
> is no new thing under the sun."
>
> To which the scientist (note small “s”) would like to assert “the
> language of mechanics is not English; speaking it is a new practice
> available to people to participate in”.
>
> But let Shakespeare have the last word:
>
> If there be nothing new, but that which is
> Hath been before, how are our brains beguil'd,
> Which, labouring for invention, bear amiss
> The second burthen of a former child!
> O, that record could with a backward look,
> Even of five hundred courses of the sun,
> Show me your image in some antique book,
> Since mind at first in character was done!
> That I might see what the old world could say
> To this composed wonder of your frame;
> Whether we are mended, or whe'r better they,
> Or whether revolution be the same.
> O! sure I am, the wits of former days
> To subjects worse have given admiring praise.
>
> Eric
>
>
>> On May 9, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm
>> <mailto:profwest at fastmail.fm>> wrote:
>>
>> The ball accelerated is clearly a metaphor as it implies that the
>> ball is doing a specific thing, that the ball has behavior and
>> probably volition. This is clearly not what you literally mean.
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 8, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>>> "The ball accelerated at approximately 32 feet per second squared
>>> at sea level in a vacuum."
>>>
>>> doesn't seem to be a metaphor to me.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>
>>> 505 670-9918
>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 8, 2021, 3:07 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Listen, Fella!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s metaphors all the way down!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [shoe thrown]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick Thompson
>>>
>>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
>>> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:36 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>> <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all, it's just a metaphor (ducking, the shoe barely
>>> missing my head) :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Second of all, that description of animal development sure
>>> sounds to me like "following a script".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 2:23 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This struck me:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When animals develop, they don’t follow a script. Instead,
>>> responding to their environment, the cells negotiate and
>>> feel their way toward a final form. A fertilized egg
>>> divides, and divides again, creating a hollow ball of cells
>>> called a blastula; genes instruct these cells to release
>>> chemicals, and other cells, reacting to those chemical
>>> concentrations, decide to migrate elsewhere or to develop
>>> into specific types of tissue. Other influences—oxygen,
>>> nutrients, hormones, sometimes toxins—further shape
>>> gestation. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/persuading-the-body-to-regenerate-its-limbs?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_050821&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd678d924c17c104801f684&cndid=40835928&hasha=1dc6f15a30be2d4712fae5f0e5a9a679&hashb=5e4befc88214fadc869224d7cb34d55f51451bc7&hashc=0c6ef6b7bc8221288e1f4a4ca0116d78a21ebdbe47949488640c7c54c93120fb&esrc=AUTO_PRINT&utm_term=TNY_Daily
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First, note the reliance on psychological terms. This is
>>> the sort of passage that would stimulate my teasing Hywel
>>> with, “So you see, Hywel, psychology really IS the mother of
>>> all sciences.” And don’t any of you DARE to come back at me
>>> with, “It’s just a metaphor.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Second, which of these two models encapsulates more closely
>>> what you wizards mean by computation. Is carrying out an
>>> algorithm more like “computation” or is “building a limb”?
>>> Is a salamander’s limb “computed”? If so, who computes it,
>>> or is that a violation of the language of computation. I
>>> know. Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your loyal fool,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nic
>>>
>>> Nick Thompson
>>>
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